BAL last tick

[Jaycub]

It's working like it should

0 sec - apply bullet and bullet dmg
3 sec - 1st tick of DoT dmg
6 sec - 2nd tick of DoT dmg
9 sec - 3rd tick of DoT dmg
10 sec - final seperate tick

And to the people complaining about damage, to even pull the outragoeus 2k+ crits you need to build 5 accusations, which in the best case scenario will take 4.2 seconds to achieve if you come out of stealth with your opener, otherwise it takes almost 7 seconds. BaL has a posistional requirement as well, but can be bypassed with a 60 sec cd ability that also takes a GCD and costs AP. Then you have 9 seconds to cleanse this ability in doing so removes over half the dmg (which comes in at the last second). Also I have a feeling these targets getting hit for over 2k have like 0 armor?

Compare that to BB or WoP which only take 5 secs to trigger, usable at range, no pos requirement, no inefficent setup like the WH to get the most out of it, and in the standard rotation is virtually uncleanseable with the tactic, on top of dealing spirit dmg instead of having to deal with armor...

[Mez]

Time to update your signature Sulorie

[Toldavf]

it really didn't double tick on live - it's as toldavf said, otherwise the burst it can provide is just too strong and not balanced, as i can basically 100-0 people with the crit when doing it right.
http://imgur.com/c0Eo7u3
that's with non optimised gear, so there's definately room for improvement as well.
both ticks combined did 4,7k damage in a second - that's without adding in torment/abso with autoattack either, while it's definately fun to do that, it's not supposed to work like that at all.

3k crit something is seriously off with the base damage here don't even think I've seen bw hit that hard yet.

[Mez]

Dont even care about thread, but your just such an easy target in forums Shlomo . So for sake of it..Ya, you open with a stealth attack that has no global cooldown for 2 accusations, then immediately add a third. It's no work to build 5 accusations. It takes a lot longer to build up 100 combustion or dark magic. Word of Pain is on a 10 second cooldown, so building more accusations for more BAL is on par in terms of time. Sorcs get pretty much a massive critical damage boost, yet WH's are magically reaching these levels? I'm just going off the screenshot posted in this thread. That is way too insane.

So going off my old WH videos, My 40rr80 WH in full offensive Sov gear hit the zealot for 603 (346 mitigated), and CRIT dok for 752 (1374) with 1st tick of BAL. Next application crits for 687 (1254 mitigated). He hits a shaman for 575 (233 mitigated), 16 (106 mit)(333 absorbed), It damages on application, so your wrong there too.

It's hilarious when people come out to defend when their class's fixes are on the table.

BAL damage was NERFED. I can't help but think abilities are being looked on original tooltips quite often? Azarael can maybe confirm/deny? Like, why was Cave-Win added with 5 sec knockdown instead of 3. I don't know if the team is relying on play testers to get stuff right, but it may be time to bring on some other sets of eyes. The fact rift was put in with such devestating imbalances 1. speed of pull, 2. no scattered landing to avoid collission, 3. LOS 4. Y-Axis..this just tells me this thing wasn't dissected because it is the one skill that could be destroying RoR accounts once this Tier went live. It should have been the only thing to be triple checked, and then checked again. <- tangent rant in this last paragraph but it's what I wonder sometimes.

[SilverWF]

The BAL dmg is higher than on old live t3 with rank 37+ and full twinked out lotd gear. The gear we currently have is crap compared with live - not even to mention the level difference.
When you think the dmg is appropriate for rank 31 with the gear we have, then you are plain stupid.
No offense intended but you lack common sense if you deny it.

At this lvl pretty easy to increase your damage output (basically, STR talis is enough) and pretty hard to increase your defensive stats
It always was like this

Afraid of BAL - bring group cleanse healer
You didn't have him? Tough life - all I can say

[Mez]

Silver you are such the new bad troll on these forums. You spew L2P non-stop when you are just terrible in all of your points. Just saying you sound stupid. OOH it's a cleanse issue. WTF 10k dmg is normal. America F-ya.

Lol, I still don't even know if that was a freak screen shot or not, just saying it looks terrible. I honestly didn't even know WH and WE played this game. I know jaycub isn't when I see him on his.

[Jaycub]

Class fixes?

It's pretty obvious something is completely cucked in that SS where it deals 3k dmg. There is nothing wrong with the OP's SS and even your numbers support that.

[Toldavf]

Defensive stats don't really come into it. Back on live we had conqueror sets which for witch hunters came with a 1600 corrosion armour debuff. My wh had 1k strength and lotd gear and I don't recall ever hitting 3k in t3.

[Jaycub]

I think with the right gear people will be pushing 900 str at lvl 31, in my shitty t2 gear im at 780 already. 900 isn't too far off 1050 cap? Crit mult stays at 200% with the tactic no matter what, and crit chance, armor. toughness values dont matter when just talking about pure dmg.

I would think a WH in full devastator could easy come close to a what you expect in T4 if he went full str and was hitting a squish target.

2k crits against naked targets doesn't sounds too far fetched. 3k is obviously impossible.

[Battosai]

the damage is basically what it was on live - it's just that the ticks behave differently.
also conquerer armordebuff was 1200, not 1600 - it stacked with the dissolve procc from the epic quest reward pistol, that's why i ran conquerer and the pistol all the way up till 80 on my wh and only switched the stuff later out as it was a really solid set ( squishy as hell though)
I can check on my old computer about some BaL screenshots that should easily outperform the one i just posted earlier.
would love to play exit wound instead, but the toughness bug is preventing me from doing so.
also silver is right - it's easily countered by cleanses in a group setting, even though i try to cover it with seekers blade or fervor, that's why exit wound is superior ( along with the stats debuff) as the burst is instantly and when you need it. ( at least in a grp vs grp setting)