Return of Reckoning

Coryphaus wrote:

wos wrote:nothing wrong with the sm good class

Pfffft



Sorry I thought you were serious for a second

jojomen wrote:Hello Azarael, here i i'll post changes that i would like to see in game and hope u all like them as much as i do.
We all know same classes not so good like others and had gimped abilities or skills in path tree placed by S` Inquisition.


BLACK ORC - people play them not because they are powerful or party need them.
But because they are GReen,BLACK and ORCS let's change that and make them almost useful as KobTs or IB.
1) We can make "war bellows" in party buffs - auras just like chosen had (but war bellows on teammates work without a chance to proc any BO tactic that he has equiped on him ATM);
2) "Rock`ard" skill from tree Path of da Boss mirror of SM skill "Protection of Hoeth" but SM can use it without target and spam it anytime,just make the same tooltip and skill form SMs for BO;
3) "We`zbigger" armor buff from Path of da Boss, just make it AOE damage without targeting anything to apply buff.



SWORDMASTER - same goes for SMs, because all of us know how people call SMs class when no SM around (-_-) AKa "SELFISH", no party buffs not even utility for guarded one all of skills had only one purpose to save ass of sm and after that kill anyone who tried to hurt his-ass.
1) Just like for BO make Blade Enchantments in aura skills;
2) "Aethiryc Armor" (400 armor+5%disrupt) mirror of "We`zbigger",known most SELFISH skill for SMs -just make it in 20 sec buff for whole party. (force SMs to push some buttons when they are waiting for procs from "blade enchants").
3) "Eagle Flight" we all know how SMs hate dat skill (parry buff 25% for 5 sec),but we cant waste all of our AP bar and time on that.
If we look at other tanks they had parry buffs UPtime 10-20 sec and thats alot for pvp and rvr Just look at CHOSEN :"1" "Suppression" +25%parry for 15sec, "2" tactic of chosens "Mixed Defenses" 25% parry for 5sec after block but that proc from tactic which i can undestand 5 duration for passiv with no APcost.( and it's already whole 50% to parry -"DAT NOT SELFFISH CHOSEN u think?"
Lets make "Eagle Flight" in party buff for 5sec 25% for whole party, just like Black orc had "Savin` Me Hide" -20% incoming magic damage for party for 4s.


BLACKGUARD - if we start to talk about disbalance in usefulness of tanks - lets to be fair IB mirror of BG had 6 buffs,absorbation skill,ap regen skill for his "Oath friend": (+75str+10%crit chance),(+50initiative+25%parry),(+600 armor),(+75str+75willpower),(+75 toughness) and that not all of them,when BG for his "DARK Protector had only str+willpowerbuff.
Mythic said IB to be-BuffTank and BG-deBuff Tank, but if we look into IB skills He has almost all of deBuffs from BG (-armor,Healing deBuff, enemy crit chance reduction,couple of snaring skills) so when IB had Buffs+deBuffs, BG had only deBuffs with no way to buff his "Dark Protector", maybe in 1vs1 Ib and Bg on equal grounds but if it would be 2vs2 we sure know who has upper hand.

1)"Shield of rage" basic spam absorb skill for all of BGs, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.(anyway IB can use his absorb "RUNIC SHEILD" at his "Oath friend" so why we cant let BG do the same?)
2)"Terrifying Foe" tactic form Path of Loathing which gives Bg buff their own toughness for 15%/30%/45%, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" only for 5sec.
3)"Force of fury" (armor buff+ crit reduction)skill from Path of Loathing,again make it apply to "DP" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.



White Lion - yep it's strange to talk about HIM, because some people say they are Useless others cry about how OP they are.
1)Heal-deBUff,all other melee DPS classes had it without even puting any points in Skill Path tree.
Lets Switch places of skills(like you did for SM\BO KDs) in Path of Axeman "Thin the herd" put in 5 points slot,"Primal fury" 9 points slot, "Cull the weak" 13 points slot and all of WLs will had their Heal-deBuff.
2)"Pounce" no other class in game didn't have sach mobility to begin with, its breaking game rules to jump on walls of keeps and gates without even CD;
To get that OP skill you only need to put 5 points in Path of hunter ,it's disbalancing early game so much no healer t2-t3 can do a thing when WL flying to him and again jump away;Suggestion put "Pounce" on CD in 5 sec and swap to 9 points slot.


P.S.Can we add auto-attack for Magus? we all know they are little bit weaker than Engee. (BOOM-STICK)

Bignusty wrote:

jojomen wrote:Hello Azarael, here i i'll post changes that i would like to see in game and hope u all like them as much as i do.
We all know same classes not so good like others and had gimped abilities or skills in path tree placed by S` Inquisition.


BLACK ORC - people play them not because they are powerful or party need them.
But because they are GReen,BLACK and ORCS let's change that and make them almost useful as KobTs or IB.
1) We can make "war bellows" in party buffs - auras just like chosen had (but war bellows on teammates work without a chance to proc any BO tactic that he has equiped on him ATM);
2) "Rock`ard" skill from tree Path of da Boss mirror of SM skill "Protection of Hoeth" but SM can use it without target and spam it anytime,just make the same tooltip and skill form SMs for BO;
3) "We`zbigger" armor buff from Path of da Boss, just make it AOE damage without targeting anything to apply buff.



SWORDMASTER - same goes for SMs, because all of us know how people call SMs class when no SM around (-_-) AKa "SELFISH", no party buffs not even utility for guarded one all of skills had only one purpose to save ass of sm and after that kill anyone who tried to hurt his-ass.
1) Just like for BO make Blade Enchantments in aura skills;
2) "Aethiryc Armor" (400 armor+5%disrupt) mirror of "We`zbigger",known most SELFISH skill for SMs -just make it in 20 sec buff for whole party. (force SMs to push some buttons when they are waiting for procs from "blade enchants").
3) "Eagle Flight" we all know how SMs hate dat skill (parry buff 25% for 5 sec),but we cant waste all of our AP bar and time on that.
If we look at other tanks they had parry buffs UPtime 10-20 sec and thats alot for pvp and rvr Just look at CHOSEN :"1" "Suppression" +25%parry for 15sec, "2" tactic of chosens "Mixed Defenses" 25% parry for 5sec after block but that proc from tactic which i can undestand 5 duration for passiv with no APcost.( and it's already whole 50% to parry -"DAT NOT SELFFISH CHOSEN u think?"
Lets make "Eagle Flight" in party buff for 5sec 25% for whole party, just like Black orc had "Savin` Me Hide" -20% incoming magic damage for party for 4s.


BLACKGUARD - if we start to talk about disbalance in usefulness of tanks - lets to be fair IB mirror of BG had 6 buffs,absorbation skill,ap regen skill for his "Oath friend": (+75str+10%crit chance),(+50initiative+25%parry),(+600 armor),(+75str+75willpower),(+75 toughness) and that not all of them,when BG for his "DARK Protector had only str+willpowerbuff.
Mythic said IB to be-BuffTank and BG-deBuff Tank, but if we look into IB skills He has almost all of deBuffs from BG (-armor,Healing deBuff, enemy crit chance reduction,couple of snaring skills) so when IB had Buffs+deBuffs, BG had only deBuffs with no way to buff his "Dark Protector", maybe in 1vs1 Ib and Bg on equal grounds but if it would be 2vs2 we sure know who has upper hand.

1)"Shield of rage" basic spam absorb skill for all of BGs, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.(anyway IB can use his absorb "RUNIC SHEILD" at his "Oath friend" so why we cant let BG do the same?)
2)"Terrifying Foe" tactic form Path of Loathing which gives Bg buff their own toughness for 15%/30%/45%, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" only for 5sec.
3)"Force of fury" (armor buff+ crit reduction)skill from Path of Loathing,again make it apply to "DP" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.



White Lion - yep it's strange to talk about HIM, because some people say they are Useless others cry about how OP they are.
1)Heal-deBUff,all other melee DPS classes had it without even puting any points in Skill Path tree.
Lets Switch places of skills(like you did for SM\BO KDs) in Path of Axeman "Thin the herd" put in 5 points slot,"Primal fury" 9 points slot, "Cull the weak" 13 points slot and all of WLs will had their Heal-deBuff.
2)"Pounce" no other class in game didn't have sach mobility to begin with, its breaking game rules to jump on walls of keeps and gates without even CD;
To get that OP skill you only need to put 5 points in Path of hunter ,it's disbalancing early game so much no healer t2-t3 can do a thing when WL flying to him and again jump away;Suggestion put "Pounce" on CD in 5 sec and swap to 9 points slot.


P.S.Can we add auto-attack for Magus? we all know they are little bit weaker than Engee. (BOOM-STICK)

This guy is really crazy ! Go create another war game man !

I read the entire post clearly and some things were not entirely correct and some were but my point still stands. BG's are far and away, way tankier than IB's, which is how they're supposed to be built. (Look at some of their speccable tactics). That if coupled with blanket buffs would seriously imbalance the class. If you buff one side, you have to buff the other (Give IB Super punt). Which no order is advocating for. The majority of people on these forums bitching about class balance and blanket buffs have been, by and large, Destro players.

The point is, you can't just outright buff the BG without buffing several order classes to compensate, which would in turn, create a large imbalance.

Clearly, you're not stupid and understand what I'm saying, so why advocate for such non-sense?

I Can 100% agree that SM (by a larger margin) and BO need buffs but to say that BG needs a buff is ridiculous. BG and IB are perfect where they are at. They don't do ridiculous DPS, they are tanky enough, and bring great utility.

Bignusty wrote:

Bignusty wrote:

jojomen wrote:Hello Azarael, here i i'll post changes that i would like to see in game and hope u all like them as much as i do.
We all know same classes not so good like others and had gimped abilities or skills in path tree placed by S` Inquisition.


BLACK ORC - people play them not because they are powerful or party need them.
But because they are GReen,BLACK and ORCS let's change that and make them almost useful as KobTs or IB.
1) We can make "war bellows" in party buffs - auras just like chosen had (but war bellows on teammates work without a chance to proc any BO tactic that he has equiped on him ATM);
2) "Rock`ard" skill from tree Path of da Boss mirror of SM skill "Protection of Hoeth" but SM can use it without target and spam it anytime,just make the same tooltip and skill form SMs for BO;
3) "We`zbigger" armor buff from Path of da Boss, just make it AOE damage without targeting anything to apply buff.



SWORDMASTER - same goes for SMs, because all of us know how people call SMs class when no SM around (-_-) AKa "SELFISH", no party buffs not even utility for guarded one all of skills had only one purpose to save ass of sm and after that kill anyone who tried to hurt his-ass.
1) Just like for BO make Blade Enchantments in aura skills;
2) "Aethiryc Armor" (400 armor+5%disrupt) mirror of "We`zbigger",known most SELFISH skill for SMs -just make it in 20 sec buff for whole party. (force SMs to push some buttons when they are waiting for procs from "blade enchants").
3) "Eagle Flight" we all know how SMs hate dat skill (parry buff 25% for 5 sec),but we cant waste all of our AP bar and time on that.
If we look at other tanks they had parry buffs UPtime 10-20 sec and thats alot for pvp and rvr Just look at CHOSEN :"1" "Suppression" +25%parry for 15sec, "2" tactic of chosens "Mixed Defenses" 25% parry for 5sec after block but that proc from tactic which i can undestand 5 duration for passiv with no APcost.( and it's already whole 50% to parry -"DAT NOT SELFFISH CHOSEN u think?"
Lets make "Eagle Flight" in party buff for 5sec 25% for whole party, just like Black orc had "Savin` Me Hide" -20% incoming magic damage for party for 4s.


BLACKGUARD - if we start to talk about disbalance in usefulness of tanks - lets to be fair IB mirror of BG had 6 buffs,absorbation skill,ap regen skill for his "Oath friend": (+75str+10%crit chance),(+50initiative+25%parry),(+600 armor),(+75str+75willpower),(+75 toughness) and that not all of them,when BG for his "DARK Protector had only str+willpowerbuff.
Mythic said IB to be-BuffTank and BG-deBuff Tank, but if we look into IB skills He has almost all of deBuffs from BG (-armor,Healing deBuff, enemy crit chance reduction,couple of snaring skills) so when IB had Buffs+deBuffs, BG had only deBuffs with no way to buff his "Dark Protector", maybe in 1vs1 Ib and Bg on equal grounds but if it would be 2vs2 we sure know who has upper hand.

1)"Shield of rage" basic spam absorb skill for all of BGs, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.(anyway IB can use his absorb "RUNIC SHEILD" at his "Oath friend" so why we cant let BG do the same?)
2)"Terrifying Foe" tactic form Path of Loathing which gives Bg buff their own toughness for 15%/30%/45%, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" only for 5sec.
3)"Force of fury" (armor buff+ crit reduction)skill from Path of Loathing,again make it apply to "DP" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.



White Lion - yep it's strange to talk about HIM, because some people say they are Useless others cry about how OP they are.
1)Heal-deBUff,all other melee DPS classes had it without even puting any points in Skill Path tree.
Lets Switch places of skills(like you did for SM\BO KDs) in Path of Axeman "Thin the herd" put in 5 points slot,"Primal fury" 9 points slot, "Cull the weak" 13 points slot and all of WLs will had their Heal-deBuff.
2)"Pounce" no other class in game didn't have sach mobility to begin with, its breaking game rules to jump on walls of keeps and gates without even CD;
To get that OP skill you only need to put 5 points in Path of hunter ,it's disbalancing early game so much no healer t2-t3 can do a thing when WL flying to him and again jump away;Suggestion put "Pounce" on CD in 5 sec and swap to 9 points slot.


P.S.Can we add auto-attack for Magus? we all know they are little bit weaker than Engee. (BOOM-STICK)

This guy is really crazy ! Go create another war game man !

I read the entire post clearly and some things were not entirely correct and some were but my point still stands. BG's are far and away, way tankier than IB's, which is how they're supposed to be built. (Look at some of their speccable tactics). That if coupled with blanket buffs would seriously imbalance the class. If you buff one side, you have to buff the other (Give IB Super punt). Which no order is advocating for. The majority of people on these forums bitching about class balance and blanket buffs have been, by and large, Destro players.

The point is, you can't just outright buff the BG without buffing several order classes to compensate, which would in turn, create a large imbalance.

Clearly, you're not stupid and understand what I'm saying, so why advocate for such non-sense?

I Can 100% agree that SM (by a larger margin) and BO need buffs but to say that BG needs a buff is ridiculous. BG and IB are perfect where they are at. They don't do ridiculous DPS, they are tanky enough, and bring great utility.

BO and SM dont need buff !! Go roll another tank if you dont like play your own tank class ! BO and SM are not main tank but they are better on second tank or off tank 2H ! BO and SM dont have same job than BG/IB knight/Chosen ! BAKKAAAAAA

Sera wrote:Just leave as it was... none of these changes are needed.

Sera wrote:
Just leave as it was... none of these changes are needed.

Post by Penril » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:39 pm
Sera wrote:
Just leave as it was... none of these changes are needed.


Out of curiosity, did you play a BO/SM to rr80-100?