City should be redesigned

[Sinisterror]

make City's 36 vs 36. 1 Warband vs 1 Warband then fill up the 12 remaining players with Solo/Duo que's. This would be easiest and most interesting results because its hard to manipulate the que when its 1wb vs 1 wb + 12 Solos with the Guilds and the Coordinated ones : D

But nope

[Nekkma]

In general, I did not want to talk if there should be a city or not, thread focused more on the question what happens im people leave, there should be fillup mechanics, more motivations before to stay. Atm staying in feels like you get punished because others left

Cities should stop beeing separate scenarios imo. instead every open city instance should generate victory points (like the original stage 1 city). This way you can win even if you lose your instance and it would be worth fighting a losing instance to generate vps for the realm. The vps could be hidden until conclusion to prevent losing side from leaving. Rewards should be split between the instance and the city siege as a whole.

[dirnsterer]

Cities should stop beeing separate scenarios imo. instead every open city instance should generate victory points (like the original stage 1 city). This way you can win even if you lose your instance and it would be worth fighting a losing instance to generate vps for the realm. The vps could be hidden until conclusion to prevent losing side from leaving. Rewards should be split between the instance and the city siege as a whole.

Hard to see how to implement smartly, or would be tough at least. Like you can end up with instances where you just get spawn camped and cannot really generate any vp at that point. If in the old way people could swap instances like invite premades in to match other premades it might work. But then how do you calculate rewards, is it when it all ends and everyone in all instances get them? What if people "swapping" instances for better match up might not get back in, this would create sort of "I am not leaving, might get rewards" -mentality with danger of losing said rewards. What if no opposition? Empty instances? Only some of the realm that can fit in get rewards? Those are questions that pop in my mind straight off top of my head.

[Preternal]

I would love tyrant for we or wp

[Everdin]

In general, I did not want to talk if there should be a city or not, thread focused more on the question what happens im people leave, there should be fillup mechanics, more motivations before to stay. Atm staying in feels like you get punished because others left

Cities should stop beeing separate scenarios imo. instead every open city instance should generate victory points (like the original stage 1 city). This way you can win even if you lose your instance and it would be worth fighting a losing instance to generate vps for the realm. The vps could be hidden until conclusion to prevent losing side from leaving. Rewards should be split between the instance and the city siege as a whole.

This sounds very good indeed.

[NoEternity]

Oh, hey, I was in that city too. And I was one of the few who left early. Fort win + fort Q gave me more than 100 crests

[gyps]

make City's 36 vs 36. 1 Warband vs 1 Warband then fill up the 12 remaining players with Solo/Duo que's. This would be easiest and most interesting results because its hard to manipulate the que when its 1wb vs 1 wb + 12 Solos with the Guilds and the Coordinated ones : D

But nope

Cities are big enough to handle even two full wbs + 12 pugs, we need to fill up those cities to have the feeling of a true siege...got no sense that there are 100 to 200 attackers in a fort and 24 attacking a siege... that scenario city alike must end someday.

Back in the day were crazy fun as you could create ambush in alleys, block em and truly coordinated efforts were made between different guilds to either attack or defense cities...PQ's were active and we got to be disrupting the process of completing them while defending different parts of the city, enemy got to coordinate forces to split attacking points to advance to the last PQ.

[Sinisterror]

make City's 36 vs 36. 1 Warband vs 1 Warband then fill up the 12 remaining players with Solo/Duo que's. This would be easiest and most interesting results because its hard to manipulate the que when its 1wb vs 1 wb + 12 Solos with the Guilds and the Coordinated ones : D

But nope

Cities are big enough to handle even two full wbs + 12 pugs, we need to fill up those cities to have the feeling of a true siege...got no sense that there are 100 to 200 attackers in a fort and 24 attacking a siege... that scenario city alike must end someday.

Back in the day were crazy fun as you could create ambush in alleys, block em and truly coordinated efforts were made between different guilds to either attack or defense cities...PQ's were active and we got to be disrupting the process of completing them while defending different parts of the city, enemy got to coordinate forces to split attacking points to advance to the last PQ.

Agreed! City being on Schedule makes zero sense imo, same with Lotd being only on weekends... But i dont know how much there is players who are interested in city scheduled or not. But i think if it was 1 Warband vs 1 Warband + 12 Solo's on eachside it would have to be done good or it would piss off the Warbands(guilds,alliances) but it would also show to those same guilds that oh Solo doesnt mean anything more than that, queing solo. There is Hatred for the Solo's and Solo Players getting less renown, less sc pops etc=) Which is just.. not very clever way to handle this. Also WAR had hidden mini instances and mini bosses during Contested Cities that had NICE Rewards. Like 6% Crit Chest and Belt with good stats/high resis and 3 talisman slots WAR always promoted People playing together even if not in same party/wb. Public quests is good example of this. WAR always promoted easily accessible content.

Like Sc's were great way to enjoy pvp as Solo queing. WAR never punished you for the way you wanted to play. I mean its almost unbeliavable how far ROR has come from the easy access pvp and as fair as possible PvP. Atm you dont even get renown from healing if you are not in a party??? wth? Stop Punishin people and make better Sc ques with no punishment for anyone for playing like they want.

This game is 70% sad 30% annoyance and fun

[Aethilmar]

City rewards are fine. Even losing it is not hard to get 120+ crests for 40 minutes of being stomped. Better than RvR.

However city mechanics have always been poo. Once you lose mid in phase one there is almost no reason to keep fighting. Very rarely you can slow the other WB up enough to stop them but, in general, losing mid is game over. Then they made phase 2 even worse by not forcing both sides back to start. And phase 3 has always been just a straight arena.

So, to the point of the OP, the problem of city is the core gameplay is built around murder-box mechanics. Once get your first loss, there is not much else you can do (at least in a PUG) and there is nothing else that has any visible effect on your contribution i.e. there is no agency so no point in trying.

I play a mini-game of trying to die the most but that is just a grim reminder of how pathetic the city mechanics are. Anyway, the fix does not lie in bribing people more since rewards are better than oRvR per time unit even for losing. It is just bad design and I suspect most people do it b/c they need crests not b/c it is fun.