Return of Reckoning

Detangler wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:08 pm

Evilspinnre wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:47 pm

Detangler wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:27 pm
Shield spec is lacking in the utility that other tanks have.

I'd argue shield blork is underrated and brings a lot to the table. Stat steal, self morale pump, cd increaser, corp debuff for mdps, aoe absorb, build time increaser + aoe slow, and multiple useful debuffs. Personally think an RvR wb should always have 2, same as number of BG's.

A good list, except:
2h can use stat steal
2h can use CD increaser.
2h can use AoE absorb. (pretty standard for 2H spec)
2h can use aoe build time increaser and aoe slow. (A feasible option for wb 2H spec)

I still think Waaaagh is pretty sub par. Debuffing corp damage for your range dps and a couple abilities for mSH in a melee-meta game isn't exactly huge when your other 4 Chosens are going to run resists and constantly debuff all resists for 1/3 the value.

2h Blork will explode in RvR And no 2h blork runs cd increaser, they go right and left trees. Being able to hit m3 in 30s is also massive, especially if your blorks are running offensive morale and contribute to first morale drop.

You think the corp debuff is just for MSH? If you have a proper melee WB all mdps are running JE, 5-8 stacking dots doing corp damage is huge when corp resist is debuffed.

Detangler wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:03 pm You're advocating for giving 2H BO a medium to long distance single target punt, then. Not sure you're thinking this through. Its quite easy to pull off SM after-block punts without a channel block ability as you should be in guard range blocking attacks at all times.

I suggest this for both 2h BO and SM. Yes, its not hard to use long punt on shield SM if you have something to guard. BO should be fine then since he can parry guard damage?

On a serious note, i do think that tactic to change AoE punt into long distance ST punt would be good on both SM and BO.

I have a "special" SNB Black Ork, I think SNB is very underrated like someone said. I think some spells/tactics need up, but I really like BO in its entirty.

Culexus ideas are good for example, but overall I think BO just need little adjustment, not really a rework. Da Biggest! is a little redundant with somes spells, but devs just need to add a "buff cycle" and it's ok (I think SM have the same "problem")

You Got Nuffin' doesn't heal a lot and can heal more, yes

We'z Bigger need a rework, nobody play this or not a lot of people so, yes

Rock 'Ard doesn't give a lot of shield, yes

For me WAAAAAAAGH! is a good spell for SNB but need to change some spells damages to corporeal to be more usefull

And the rest, it's the subject of the topic so, i don't need to repeat !

For me single target punt is for Chosen and Blackguard, BO has other quality, and if you really want single target punt, i think a rework of a tactic is a better option

Blork debuffs 378 corporeal, same as zealot barf tactic, which also stacks fully with chosen debuff. And you can safely get one or two of the four zealots you surely have in your warband to slot it in place of WTS. If you want stacked armor corp debuff then yes, you have to get a blork. That's the first one. Then the second blork goes 15 left tree and you wot. That's the second blork. And I do agree that this makes blork similarly useful to bg (meaning, you are fine with running two in a warband). Maybe even a bit more useful, cause snb bg is probably marginally less impactful.
On the other hand, swordmaster just does much more. Whispering Winds in place of waaagh!, which is mirrored as a basic ability, then AoE raking talons, better absorb shield and crushing advance. And the sole upside of blork is you wot, notably not a utility ability. And then, to add insult to injury, sm is also better in 2h spec. You only need one SM to provide all the utility two blorks provide... and you don't even make any SMs run a build like that for they have plenty of better skills to choose from. If anything i feel like making corporal so much better than other resistances shouldn't happen to begin with, it makes various classes better or worse for reasons unrelated to actual ability toolkit. Give blork something in place of crushing advance, improve a bunch of tactics nobody picks currently, maybe rework vauls buffer/wez bigger to not suck. Then move phenix wing to perfect stance and five blork AoE to spread stat debuffs more effectively. Or not, at this point classes should be rather comparable. Which means we can rework bg right tree and improve filled with fury to also provide about 1k absorb shield.
I'm getting ahead of myself here. All that after we finish ability rework, obviously.

Three posts deleted, testing. Does this even work?

SnB BO is easily the worst tank as Bozzax said. This is my fourth time trying to post on this nonsense, so I don't give a **** anymore.

Remove You Wot from the game. Stupid nonsense that never should've been in the game.

Fey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:17 am SnB BO is easily the worst tank as Bozzax said. This is my fourth time trying to post on this nonsense, so I don't give a **** anymore.

Remove You Wot from the game. Stupid nonsense that never should've been in the game.

So SnB BO is easile the worst tank. To make SnB BO better your answer is to remove You wot, best skill 2h BO has. Care to elaborate? I'm not seeing any logic here.

Well it is but no one that know what BO pre torq was gives a s.. anymore

Simple solution play other classes that are more favoured

Fey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:17 am SnB BO is easily the worst tank as Bozzax said. This is my fourth time trying to post on this nonsense, so I don't give a **** anymore.

Remove You Wot from the game. Stupid nonsense that never should've been in the game.

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Give "Right Back 'Atcha" in place of You Wot?! Because if Blorcs dont have You Wot?! then even 2h blorc becomes useless. Snb Thc should be brought back along with 240ws buff from old no choppin' me tactic.

Sinisterror wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:00 am Give "Right Back 'Atcha" in place of You Wot?! Because if Blorcs dont have You Wot?! then even 2h blorc becomes useless. Snb Thc should be brought back along with 240ws buff from old no choppin' me tactic.

As SM i can say that this sounds reasonable...until i remember that BOrk already have 1 unique def channeling (can't hit me) and actually useful racial tactics instead of spit in the face SM has.

Well, the part about racial tactics is more like personal grumbling, but i do think that having an upgraded hold the line both for 2h and 1h is a bit too much.