zerg farm meta- most of RoR player base want to PvE RoR they will just log on to the side with the zerg for a PvE keep fort zone flip, 100 vs 15 fort is not fun, please remove all rewards if your side gets over 20% aao advantage stop rewarding this meta PvE farm
Pug WBs having 24 player- please cap player limit in PuG WBs as they make the zones stale as they just swallow up what little players there are & turn them into a zerg blob with the WB leader spamming "Follow" please cap PuG WBs to 12 players let Guilds/Alliances be the only ones allowed 24 players make guilds & alliances relevant again
Invisible class gank meta- 100 secs of invisible is not how invisible was intend to be it was meant to be a situational 15sec prep window, because invisable is over 1minute, we are getting ganks grps farming WCs & paths out side WCs with 2-6 invisible players waiting for 1-2 players & most of the time they target sub 40s
premades in solo ques- the fact you can sit in discord with stacked 2 2 2 groups & take the same SC pop kills SCs, you need to add a holding pen for players & have SCs pop on a 5min rotation to stop people form duo stacking.
Ranks solo- no good player wants to touch ranked solo as after season 1 the unskilled players that couldnt win in season 1 made a ranked solo discord & posted it in the forums then a Dev gave them the wink & made this alright, its not alright Ranked solo is just a small group of the player base sitting in discord farming solo players & if you dont join the discord they all turn on you & try to get you banned for throwing matchs,you could even make ranked guildalliance vs guild/alliance
all your good players just seem to leave as they dont want to play theses PvE metas & they wont come back until the game stop rewarding theses metas as these metas have culled RoR player base form 2000+ active players to now around 250(and that's being generous)
RoR is a PvP RvR game please to fixs to bring RoR back to what its meant to be
Zerg meta sucks? Last time I checked this is still an RvR game.
PvDoor is garbage, you are correct, however your proposal for a loot change is unrealistic.
You have to rather look at the reasons why people crossrealm or why one realm is basically dead. Bad leaders with unsorted warbands full of low geared alts causing realmwide frustration and fail sieges is one of them.
There are effective strategies to fight the blobs while being outnumbered, earning contribution, obtaining rewards and having fun. Wont happen solo.
Even though getting ganked blows, anyone can always form a group and hunt the WH teams.
All you need to end the hat-show is an aoe stagger, a mediocre choppa with tank and heal support.
2-2-2 teams in the SC?
Good to see some decent opposition at last. Build a team and give them a fight.
Let's refrain from adding to the nonsense created by whiny people who failed to band together or refused to do so and misled developers by presenting false information, which resulted to the removal of the xp reduction scroll.
There is a pug sc you can queue solo, and if you have proof that someone is cheesing the system, there is a triggerhappy GM team you can present it too.
Ranked solo is a joke.
Low-quality salt from snobby opponents with attitudes is brought on by "MMR Assassins."
Why you even bother? It's as if you're expecting a high roller table in a run-down casino on a filthy side street where questionable dressed persons are waving down cars and offering their services. There might be one, but it's in the backroom and you probably don't want to be with the people in there.
Build a team and go group ranked.
It is not your opponents fault or responsibility if you fail to take precautions against their seemingly dishonest strategies.
zerg farm meta- most of RoR player base want to PvE RoR they will just log on to the side with the zerg for a PvE keep fort zone flip, 100 vs 15 fort is not fun, please remove all rewards if your side gets over 20% aao advantage stop rewarding this meta PvE farm
Pug WBs having 24 player- please cap player limit in PuG WBs as they make the zones stale as they just swallow up what little players there are & turn them into a zerg blob with the WB leader spamming "Follow" please cap PuG WBs to 12 players let Guilds/Alliances be the only ones allowed 24 players make guilds & alliances relevant again
Invisible class gank meta- 100 secs of invisible is not how invisible was intend to be it was meant to be a situational 15sec prep window, because invisable is over 1minute, we are getting ganks grps farming WCs & paths out side WCs with 2-6 invisible players waiting for 1-2 players & most of the time they target sub 40s
premades in solo ques- the fact you can sit in discord with stacked 2 2 2 groups & take the same SC pop kills SCs, you need to add a holding pen for players & have SCs pop on a 5min rotation to stop people form duo stacking.
Ranks solo- no good player wants to touch ranked solo as after season 1 the unskilled players that couldnt win in season 1 made a ranked solo discord & posted it in the forums then a Dev gave them the wink & made this alright, its not alright Ranked solo is just a small group of the player base sitting in discord farming solo players & if you dont join the discord they all turn on you & try to get you banned for throwing matchs,you could even make ranked guildalliance vs guild/alliance
all your good players just seem to leave as they dont want to play theses PvE metas & they wont come back until the game stop rewarding theses metas as these metas have culled RoR player base form 2000+ active players to now around 250(and that's being generous)
RoR is a PvP RvR game please to fixs to bring RoR back to what its meant to be
"Zerg meta sucks? Last time I checked this is still an RvR game."= How is 80% to 240% aao advantage RvR?
"PvDoor is garbage, you are correct, however your proposal for a loot change is unrealistic."= no PvP no reward, simple
You have to rather look at the reasons why people crossrealm or why one realm is basically dead. Bad leaders with unsorted warbands full of low geared alts causing realmwide frustration and fail sieges is one of them.
"There are effective strategies to fight the blobs while being outnumbered, earning contribution, obtaining rewards and having fun. Wont happen solo."= get a zerg of your own, PvE meta zerg farm is the meta for a reason it pays the best
"Even though getting ganked blows, anyone can always form a group and hunt the WH teams."= ive seen people in /5 lfg for over 30min trying to make a group so they can leave WC till they just give up & log off
All you need to end the hat-show is an aoe stagger, a mediocre choppa with tank and heal support." = ill rub my magic lamp & make players appear that havent flipped to the winning zerg or arnt in the zerg WB blob, what part of invisible gank groups you not understand if you make a counter group they just stealth & move to somewhere else to gank then come back when you go looking for them, this gank meta is requiring people to stop everything to counter it or get farmed, its not good for the game plan & simple & is a waste of WH/WE to be relegated to a gank meta because they have no meaningfull purpose apart from ganking
2-2-2 teams in the SC?
"Good to see some decent opposition at last. Build a team and give them a fight." = for group SCs i agree but not my point or what my posts/thread is referring to
"Let's refrain from adding to the nonsense created by whiny people who failed to band together or refused to do so and misled developers by presenting false information, which resulted to the removal of the xp reduction scroll." =because twinks are good for sub t4 SCs? you seem like you like these metas
There is a pug sc you can queue solo, and if you have proof that someone is cheesing the system, there is a triggerhappy GM team you can present it too." = because you can make 3 duo groups & sit in discord & get the same SC is not what solo duo is meant to be its why solo duo is dead, ive been in these discords so i know it happens all the time near impossible to prove people just say "tin foil hat" & "get good" & if the population is low you can just all sit in discord & Q solo you will get the same SC as the population is so low
Ranked solo is a joke.
"Low-quality salt from snobby opponents with attitudes is brought on by "MMR Assassins."= sitting in discord win trading is not high tier gameplay ranked discord killed Solo ranked
Why you even bother? It's as if you're expecting a high roller table in a run-down casino on a filthy side street where questionable dressed persons are waving down cars and offering their services. There might be one, but it's in the backroom and you probably don't want to be with the people in there.
Build a team and go group ranked." = where are all these unicorn players your are referring to that one can simply ask for a ranked group & theses players appear? oh wait they are in ranked solo discord already & they killed ranked solo so even the ranked solo discord is dead unless you set a date/time & calendar it, its why it was called RANKED SOLO not ranked make a stacked 222 group & sit in discord gg you killed your own game mode
"It is not your opponents fault or responsibility if you fail to take precautions against their seemingly dishonest strategies."= and this is why we have gone form 2000 active players to now around 250ish active people, most good decent players want to chill have fun make friends & dont want to have to build & play around a community doing "lord of the flies" & cannibalizing its own community for the lolz & easy wins, people just leave & that is what they have been doing
the best fights i have ever had in RoR is when there is no aao & no zergs, had the most fun with 6mans but lets be realistic you cant always make a group that want to join discord & the default meta in RoR is join the zerg push a zone if that side fails flip to the other side as they might have better groups & the aao advantage, its the cant bet them join them mentality & they do it because they can, getting farmed is not fun so people just say F it might as well flip & get my free loot & level alts
i tried to take your reply seriously but it falls into the default "get good" response vibes, which doesnt actually help this game of keep its population
& your signature "Lutz" i take it you are the player that has that in there name (Sov BG Sov WL & WH with your name as your guild on the bug reporting reward mount) you do some of the most low brow low level stuff in this game we have all seen you make WBs & hide in the side streets at WCs to zerg farm sorry but you are a terrible player & bad for this game your play style & mentality is why people dont play RoR, ive join one of your WBs & we spent most of the time on mounts looking for 6 or less players to zerg then mount back up & do again for over 1hr till you log or the other side flips/log so you can do a AAO advantage zone flip
zerg farm meta- most of RoR player base want to PvE RoR they will just log on to the side with the zerg for a PvE keep fort zone flip, 100 vs 15 fort is not fun, please remove all rewards if your side gets over 20% aao advantage stop rewarding this meta PvE farm
Pug WBs having 24 player- please cap player limit in PuG WBs as they make the zones stale as they just swallow up what little players there are & turn them into a zerg blob with the WB leader spamming "Follow" please cap PuG WBs to 12 players let Guilds/Alliances be the only ones allowed 24 players make guilds & alliances relevant again
Invisible class gank meta- 100 secs of invisible is not how invisible was intend to be it was meant to be a situational 15sec prep window, because invisable is over 1minute, we are getting ganks grps farming WCs & paths out side WCs with 2-6 invisible players waiting for 1-2 players & most of the time they target sub 40s
premades in solo ques- the fact you can sit in discord with stacked 2 2 2 groups & take the same SC pop kills SCs, you need to add a holding pen for players & have SCs pop on a 5min rotation to stop people form duo stacking.
Ranks solo- no good player wants to touch ranked solo as after season 1 the unskilled players that couldnt win in season 1 made a ranked solo discord & posted it in the forums then a Dev gave them the wink & made this alright, its not alright Ranked solo is just a small group of the player base sitting in discord farming solo players & if you dont join the discord they all turn on you & try to get you banned for throwing matchs,you could even make ranked guildalliance vs guild/alliance
all your good players just seem to leave as they dont want to play theses PvE metas & they wont come back until the game stop rewarding theses metas as these metas have culled RoR player base form 2000+ active players to now around 250(and that's being generous)
RoR is a PvP RvR game please to fixs to bring RoR back to what its meant to be
"Zerg meta sucks? Last time I checked this is still an RvR game."= How is 80% to 240% aao advantage RvR?
"PvDoor is garbage, you are correct, however your proposal for a loot change is unrealistic."= no PvP no reward, simple
You have to rather look at the reasons why people crossrealm or why one realm is basically dead. Bad leaders with unsorted warbands full of low geared alts causing realmwide frustration and fail sieges is one of them.
"There are effective strategies to fight the blobs while being outnumbered, earning contribution, obtaining rewards and having fun. Wont happen solo."= get a zerg of your own, PvE meta zerg farm is the meta for a reason it pays the best
"Even though getting ganked blows, anyone can always form a group and hunt the WH teams."= ive seen people in /5 lfg for over 30min trying to make a group so they can leave WC till they just give up & log off
All you need to end the hat-show is an aoe stagger, a mediocre choppa with tank and heal support." = ill rub my magic lamp & make players appear that havent flipped to the winning zerg or arnt in the zerg WB blob, what part of invisible gank groups you not understand if you make a counter group they just stealth & move to somewhere else to gank then come back when you go looking for them, this gank meta is requiring people to stop everything to counter it or get farmed, its not good for the game plan & simple & is a waste of WH/WE to be relegated to a gank meta because they have no meaningfull purpose apart from ganking
2-2-2 teams in the SC?
"Good to see some decent opposition at last. Build a team and give them a fight." = for group SCs i agree but not my point or what my posts/thread is referring to
"Let's refrain from adding to the nonsense created by whiny people who failed to band together or refused to do so and misled developers by presenting false information, which resulted to the removal of the xp reduction scroll." =because twinks are good for sub t4 SCs? you seem like you like these metas
There is a pug sc you can queue solo, and if you have proof that someone is cheesing the system, there is a triggerhappy GM team you can present it too." = because you can make 3 duo groups & sit in discord & get the same SC is not what solo duo is meant to be its why solo duo is dead, ive been in these discords so i know it happens all the time near impossible to prove people just say "tin foil hat" & "get good" & if the population is low you can just all sit in discord & Q solo you will get the same SC as the population is so low
Ranked solo is a joke.
"Low-quality salt from snobby opponents with attitudes is brought on by "MMR Assassins."= sitting in discord win trading is not high tier gameplay ranked discord killed Solo ranked
Why you even bother? It's as if you're expecting a high roller table in a run-down casino on a filthy side street where questionable dressed persons are waving down cars and offering their services. There might be one, but it's in the backroom and you probably don't want to be with the people in there.
Build a team and go group ranked." = where are all these unicorn players your are referring to that one can simply ask for a ranked group & theses players appear? oh wait they are in ranked solo discord already & they killed ranked solo so even the ranked solo discord is dead unless you set a date/time & calendar it, its why it was called RANKED SOLO not ranked make a stacked 222 group & sit in discord gg you killed your own game mode
"It is not your opponents fault or responsibility if you fail to take precautions against their seemingly dishonest strategies."= and this is why we have gone form 2000 active players to now around 250ish active people, most good decent players want to chill have fun make friends & dont want to have to build & play around a community doing "lord of the flies" & cannibalizing its own community for the lolz & easy wins, people just leave & that is what they have been doing
the best fights i have ever had in RoR is when there is no aao & no zergs, had the most fun with 6mans but lets be realistic you cant always make a group that want to join discord & the default meta in RoR is join the zerg push a zone if that side fails flip to the other side as they might have better groups & the aao advantage, its the cant bet them join them mentality & they do it because they can, getting farmed is not fun so people just say F it might as well flip & get my free loot & level alts
i tried to take your reply seriously but it falls into the default "get good" response vibes, which doesnt actually help this game of keep its population
& your signature "Lutz" i take it you are the player that has that in there name (Sov BG Sov WL & WH with your name as your guild on the bug reporting reward mount) you do some of the most low brow low level stuff in this game we have all seen you make WBs & hide in the side streets at WCs to zerg farm sorry but you are a terrible player & bad for this game your play style & mentality is why people dont play RoR, ive join one of your WBs & we spent most of the time on mounts looking for 6 or less players to zerg then mount back up & do again for over 1hr till you log or the other side flips/log so you can do a AAO advantage zone flip
Breathe, simple mortal; nowhere is it implied in the text that I told you to "get gud".
It was difficult to read your answers; the next time, try to put just as much effort into it as you do when you let go of such quality thoughts on your stream.
That kind of misinformation you propagate about my persona is amusing, the usual parrot though. Not impressed.
I remember you as "Kotbs" in the warband; such a unique name.
You didn't last long, the dps advised me to kick you out. Executing your basic roles playing that complex class didn't seem to be part of your warband playstyle.
Shogun4138 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:40 pm
It's a PvP game but sounds like you want safe travels out in the lakes.
IMO the game is working good in the over all sense of things. Low population is a bit more of the problems.
what i want is invisible classes to have a meaningful part to play in RvR zone keep & forts, not this gank meta. if you think its fun to roll a single target dps class that goes invisible & all you do is gank & group with other gankers then sorry i dont know what to tell you, i personally think its a complete waste of the WH/WE class to become a troll gank meta
"Zerg meta sucks? Last time I checked this is still an RvR game."= How is 80% to 240% aao advantage RvR?
"PvDoor is garbage, you are correct, however your proposal for a loot change is unrealistic."= no PvP no reward, simple
You have to rather look at the reasons why people crossrealm or why one realm is basically dead. Bad leaders with unsorted warbands full of low geared alts causing realmwide frustration and fail sieges is one of them.
"There are effective strategies to fight the blobs while being outnumbered, earning contribution, obtaining rewards and having fun. Wont happen solo."= get a zerg of your own, PvE meta zerg farm is the meta for a reason it pays the best
"Even though getting ganked blows, anyone can always form a group and hunt the WH teams."= ive seen people in /5 lfg for over 30min trying to make a group so they can leave WC till they just give up & log off
All you need to end the hat-show is an aoe stagger, a mediocre choppa with tank and heal support." = ill rub my magic lamp & make players appear that havent flipped to the winning zerg or arnt in the zerg WB blob, what part of invisible gank groups you not understand if you make a counter group they just stealth & move to somewhere else to gank then come back when you go looking for them, this gank meta is requiring people to stop everything to counter it or get farmed, its not good for the game plan & simple & is a waste of WH/WE to be relegated to a gank meta because they have no meaningfull purpose apart from ganking
2-2-2 teams in the SC?
"Good to see some decent opposition at last. Build a team and give them a fight." = for group SCs i agree but not my point or what my posts/thread is referring to
"Let's refrain from adding to the nonsense created by whiny people who failed to band together or refused to do so and misled developers by presenting false information, which resulted to the removal of the xp reduction scroll." =because twinks are good for sub t4 SCs? you seem like you like these metas
There is a pug sc you can queue solo, and if you have proof that someone is cheesing the system, there is a triggerhappy GM team you can present it too." = because you can make 3 duo groups & sit in discord & get the same SC is not what solo duo is meant to be its why solo duo is dead, ive been in these discords so i know it happens all the time near impossible to prove people just say "tin foil hat" & "get good" & if the population is low you can just all sit in discord & Q solo you will get the same SC as the population is so low
Ranked solo is a joke.
"Low-quality salt from snobby opponents with attitudes is brought on by "MMR Assassins."= sitting in discord win trading is not high tier gameplay ranked discord killed Solo ranked
Why you even bother? It's as if you're expecting a high roller table in a run-down casino on a filthy side street where questionable dressed persons are waving down cars and offering their services. There might be one, but it's in the backroom and you probably don't want to be with the people in there.
Build a team and go group ranked." = where are all these unicorn players your are referring to that one can simply ask for a ranked group & theses players appear? oh wait they are in ranked solo discord already & they killed ranked solo so even the ranked solo discord is dead unless you set a date/time & calendar it, its why it was called RANKED SOLO not ranked make a stacked 222 group & sit in discord gg you killed your own game mode
"It is not your opponents fault or responsibility if you fail to take precautions against their seemingly dishonest strategies."= and this is why we have gone form 2000 active players to now around 250ish active people, most good decent players want to chill have fun make friends & dont want to have to build & play around a community doing "lord of the flies" & cannibalizing its own community for the lolz & easy wins, people just leave & that is what they have been doing
the best fights i have ever had in RoR is when there is no aao & no zergs, had the most fun with 6mans but lets be realistic you cant always make a group that want to join discord & the default meta in RoR is join the zerg push a zone if that side fails flip to the other side as they might have better groups & the aao advantage, its the cant bet them join them mentality & they do it because they can, getting farmed is not fun so people just say F it might as well flip & get my free loot & level alts
i tried to take your reply seriously but it falls into the default "get good" response vibes, which doesnt actually help this game of keep its population
& your signature "Lutz" i take it you are the player that has that in there name (Sov BG Sov WL & WH with your name as your guild on the bug reporting reward mount) you do some of the most low brow low level stuff in this game we have all seen you make WBs & hide in the side streets at WCs to zerg farm sorry but you are a terrible player & bad for this game your play style & mentality is why people dont play RoR, ive join one of your WBs & we spent most of the time on mounts looking for 6 or less players to zerg then mount back up & do again for over 1hr till you log or the other side flips/log so you can do a AAO advantage zone flip
Breathe, simple mortal; nowhere is it implied in the text that I told you to "get gud".
It was difficult to read your answers; the next time, try to put just as much effort into it as you do when you let go of such quality thoughts on your stream.
That kind of misinformation you propagate about my persona is amusing, the usual parrot though. Not impressed.
I remember you as "Kotbs" in the warband; such a unique name.
You didn't last long, the dps advised me to kick you out. Executing your basic roles playing that complex class didn't seem to be part of your warband playstyle.
Now i know who you are & how you play i cant take anything you say seriously
Shogun4138 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:40 pm
It's a PvP game but sounds like you want safe travels out in the lakes.
IMO the game is working good in the over all sense of things. Low population is a bit more of the problems.
what i want is invisible classes to have a meaningful part to play in RvR zone keep & forts, not this gank meta. if you think its fun to roll a single target dps class that goes invisible & all you do is gank & group with other gankers then sorry i dont know what to tell you, i personally think its a complete waste of the WH/WE class to become a troll gank meta
this is the problem, wh and w.elf weren't integrate into oRvR but made an alt gameplay class..
this has been done by design by torquemada....which is now long gone...the question is if devs can now re evaluate the roles of these classes into rvr and wb, maybe put em into a gank "group" meccanic linked to supply chain disruption instead of "invisible ninja man running havoc".
The problem with all of this is the vision of rvr, zone geography problems, the willingnes of give precise and surgical role to these classe that make em relevant in group play even in aoe enviroment and not just st group for city.
reynold wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:23 pm
As a former WH and now on occasion being a WH guild group healer I can say that WH still have light armor and they die very easily. Even if they have perma stealth theyre job is not safe. The reason they group up is because all the other classes do so if a group passes them then 1 WH obviously cant kill the whole group solo. But a group of WH vs a random group can stand a chance. Even then keeping a WH alive as a healer is not so easy cause again, light armor. All other classes rely on healers WH are no diff depending on build. I see WH die all the time. WH dont have some big advantage. That is a fantasy
The problem with WH/WE is they were given a healthy redesign in some ways and a lot of classes weren't reached yet. Torq is a very.. unique person but some of the stuff he did was great. WH's/WE having a short duration Vanish is a fantastic, fresh addition to the game in my opinion.
The problem is that a lot of other classes were left behind on the design table and from what I have heard, it's probably not getting better anytime soon.
Of content available in the game, I find solo play to be both the most imbalanced and most punishing. Funnily enough, it's also the most rewarding. The current game just doesn't have broad enough kits on a lot of classes to handle a lot of different opponents. The ones that can, or the ones who can pick their engagements more freely tend to have a much better time. There are some statistics in this game that are pretty broken if stacked, most notably Armor, Avoidance (Parry/Disrupt/etc), Regen and in some cases, Toughness. There are counters to each of these things but uncommonly found on the same class. Some classes can still do consistent and respectable damage with a survival build by utilizing damage sources that rely very little on stat scaling. That's mostly a design oversight and I said earlier, I wouldn't expect it to change for the better anytime soon. I feel for you solo guys, good luck out there.
That's why people play in groups. It's generally a more engaging gameplay experience and there's a lot more content (even in RvR) that you can partake in.
