Return of Reckoning

havartii wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:21 pm Why shaman can't cleanse AM dots, while Am can cleanse shaman?? Yet Shaman has racial tactics nerfed. Can some one please shed light on this subject so I can understand better?? thanks

• Shamans have Ailments and cleanse Curses & Ailments

• AMs Hex and cleanse Hexes and Ailments

• Zealots Hex and cleanse Curses & Hexes

• RPs have Ailments and cleanse Curses & Ailments

• Doks Curse and can cleanse Ailments & Hex

• WPs Curse and can cleanse Curses & Hex

Stop trying to balance this around 1v1. Its already balanced around MELEE group.

Gravord wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:24 am

Fey wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:46 am This game was originally designed around the three faction pairings. As High Elves are the bane of the green skins in Warhammer lore they receive certain small advantages in the game. AM cleanse is one example.

MJ wanted a three faction game. High Elves would only fight green skins and vice versa until one faction locked the pairing by taking the fort. That faction could then, "invade," the other pairings.

This idea was ****-canned by GW, for better or worse.

That doesnt sound right from lore perspective. Greenskins and HE had minimal contact with one little Grom invasion into Ulthuan.

shoelessHN wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:07 am Easiest solution would be to change shaman dots from ailments to curses.

Easiest solution would be to remove cleanse restrictions and allow every healer to cleanse any type of effect, perhaps with certain additional bonuses, general ones or if they cleanse specific type of effect. Argument could be easily made it would simplify game too much, but it also would made different cleanses closer in terms of quality. Main complaint of the topic is about AM vs Sham, but dont forget poor WP who doesnt cleanse WE/SH/Mara/Sham, 4 out of 5 destro heal inc heal debuffs, while cleaning only Chop.

Sofong wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:27 pm why bw can self cleanse?

Omegus wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:08 pm The question is why are you trying to compare AM vs Shaman in an isolated setting when classes are designed to be combined together? Unless this is of course about solo roaming DPS AMs vs solo roaming DPS Shamans, in which case lol.


Archmages: how does it feel when a Zealot slots the tactic that puts their cleanse on no CD and just removes everything you apply?

malmar wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:22 am so, hex is applied by engie, bw and am - classes with nasty dots, and shaman can't cleanse them? seems to be unbalanced.

Battlefield wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:48 pm

malmar wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:22 am so, hex is applied by engie, bw and am - classes with nasty dots, and shaman can't cleanse them? seems to be unbalanced.

Archmage can't cleanse debuff and dots from Sorcerer, debuff and snare effects from Choppa/Dok ... RP can't cleanse debuff and dots from Magus.

Valarion wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:06 pm

Sofong wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:27 pm why bw can self cleanse?

This game was designed around 12v12 (per Marc Jacobs) thats why. It wasnt designed around watering every class down to 1v1 panda parity.

Sofong wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:18 pm

Valarion wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:06 pm

Sofong wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:27 pm why bw can self cleanse?

This game was designed around 12v12 (per Marc Jacobs) thats why. It wasnt designed around watering every class down to 1v1 panda parity.

when the so called "elite players" do solo or pug, they only play op classes like bw, wl, wh, i wonder why