Return of Reckoning

wonshot wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:52 am As I said in my original post here, if the fear from the devs is that this will lead to too strong one-way entry point funnel spots. Then I am sure more can be done to avoid this.
- Add a portal to open a backdoor to apply a 2nd entrypoint.
- Move the flag outside of the too defendable BOs.

vanbuinen77 wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:30 pm No, you had your chance to stop the opposing force at the outer door, inner door, and lord.

wonshot wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:34 pm

vanbuinen77 wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:30 pm No, you had your chance to stop the opposing force at the outer door, inner door, and lord.

that is a good arguement, thanks for bringing it up.
But that scenario is involving a situation where both realms most times have all their forces in one place, at the keep.
The advantage here is for who can use their numbers the best, a very very valid skill in War and besieging a keep.

but should numbers and use of numbers be the only wincondition. My proposal offers an alternative, and keep in mind its not a forced option. It simply just offers the underdogs in an outnumbered situation a chance to fight somewhat more even numbers (promoting not logging over to the winning and dominating orvr realm at the current moment)

So a more concrete situation example:
Destro have FMJ event night, they are locking zones with say 120 destro players in Praag.
Order have 80 players in the zone, they tried to hold the keep but got pushed out because they were outnumbered and had fewer organized warbands and groups.

Yes Destro had more numbers, and more organized players. I think they should win.
But if the underdogs are not having any chance for fighting when severly outnumbered, what will keep them from all just logging out or logging on destro toons.
And that is what my proposal is about, to promote fighting but still not changing the win-condition of largescale warfare.

So in my example the keep has fallen in praag, in the current system the BOs will get flagged red for destro probably within 3minuts and this is barely enough time for any order group to try and get an other attempt going for the zone (this is where some think the zone is already over and should be over)
In my proposal order could all run to Graveyard BO and setup with their 80 players. It will take destro some time to move a big enough force from the Captured keep to GY and wipe order and kill them. By the time they have moved enough forces to GY it might expose Armory BO to be attackable by an order 6man roaming, if they find a handful of pugs or an other smaller group to fight. Maybe the underdogs will get wiped and the zone locks, maybe they will stall for some time before the outnumbering realm have spread their troops out and hold all 4/4 BOs.
But the zone will still eventually lock for whoever took the keep, because of how impossible it is to lock when you have lost your keeplord and the keep is a ruin.

But the end result is that the entire zone is active, every BO matter equally much and people are pvping, coordination is rewarded wether its realmwide or withing your groups/warbands/guilds. And no matter your groupsieze you can potentially help your realm, find fights everywhere and the game is not just about bags & gear for a brief moment

wonshot wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:04 pm

wachlarz wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:15 am Why U want fights in locked zone ? New zone, new fights. All U write U can make in new zone. if U want more fights dont push too keep. Roam. Play small party not only in wb.

Just from opserving how players play, i Tend to watch newcomer streamers, watch old veterans, read ingame advice chat and get a general feel for how most of the community feel on a subject. Right now only really fresh 40s are interested in the box running part of a zone from when it opens, more people get involved when a keep reaches two stars and a siege is about to happen, and after the keeptage pretty much everything goes on standby.

So we go from the peak of action, into a full on afk break. I just think the potential is waste. And it has nothing to do with what size of group or if your solo. The system just doesnt promote or allow much action after a keep is flipped. So would even bother with having any BO restrictions after a keep take if we will just accept and allow the zone to be overwith after the keep has been taken.
If the most players are active at the keeptake, why not keep that activity going for the duration of the zonelock by extending this last phase of a zone duration.

You make it sound like im trying to promote something that will just benefit myself. But this system would benefit all roamers and pvpvers.
If all the warbands are fighting at a laststand BO and for example order are about to loose a zone, if they send their bigger warbands to one BO and destro have to answere this by sending their more organized forces to this location, that will open up the rest of the map for smallscale fights, ganking soloers relocationg to other BOs and spreading the action out. Isnt that what 6man groups and gankers want, more people being spread out over the map and not one big blob being all together?

Strakar wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:17 am We should get the current system working again first. Last night order locked Caledor with zero BOs controlled after the keep fell.

Worth trying, I do agree with the other posters that it could slow down zone locks and would have to tweak fort or city rewards to compensate.