Return of Reckoning

It's always refreshing how the crying starts after almost every balance Patch.
It's laughable

aoe armor debuff syn perfectly with slayers wls sws, especialy in city.

SM morales swap seems like a weird change but I think can see a reason - no SM was using Guard of Steel as M1 cause it is much better to have CC as M1 and Wings of Heaven as M2.
Overall it is a nerf to SM morales cause even +160 group Toughness buff is worse than Shield Wall or Distracting Bellow and having Wings of Heaven as M1 means no CC which is crucial (or no Wings of Heaven if using CC)

Really happy about the new WH armor debuff. Teaming up with slayers again will be interesting

cant wait for a Black Orc pounce xD ! Who willbe the next ?

Ramlaen wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:52 pm

Sundowner wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:39 pm Why moving WL skills between trees? I get you u are making hunter more aoe oriented, but it messes with builds. for aoe build you will not be able to have finisher+pounce, because echoing roar is a joke ability and no one took it. and for ranked you want have heal debuff+pounce together. like, why messing with class that much? WL is already nerfed to a great extent.

Echoing Roar interupt is an important ability for WL in warband play, agree through on why.jpg make the change.

Yeah, if there are >3 WLs in wb roar is solid. but nonetheless tree change literally killed pounce for 2 builds. sh retained pounce+all its utility for melee spec. Mara has better debuffs, higher st damage modificator, more survivability, better heal-debuff and finisher for 5pt. WLs only advantage was higher mobility, but now you can either go with pounce and forget about finisher or healdebuff, or use pounce only when solo roaming with lion, because no one uses guardian tree for other reasons. literally why this change was necessary?

For my initial testing, the WE leap is not that great.
The leap "animation" is so slow for a 30 ft leap, that it's often quicker to just run the distance instead. You also land behind the target if it is running (as with all leaps), and without a speedboost on landing you don't catch the target very often, especially since WE lack a melee snare.
Right now the skill feels clumsier to use than before.

Sofong wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:01 pm aoe armor debuff syn perfectly with slayers wls sws, especialy in city.

this will be actually interesting to see how this works out. Slayer train was already really powerful before.
I can see that this change was maybe made to make wh more wb friendly, but so far I dont think it will change much. WBs will take one maybe two WH for the debuff, thats it, like it was before.
But like with all patches: Only time will show how these changes play out

Sundowner wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:18 pm now you can either go with pounce and forget about finisher or healdebuff, or use pounce only when solo roaming with lion, because no one uses guardian tree for other reasons.

Sounds balanced to me

Neverever wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:24 pm

Sundowner wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:18 pm now you can either go with pounce and forget about finisher or healdebuff, or use pounce only when solo roaming with lion, because no one uses guardian tree for other reasons.

Sounds balanced to me

Yeah order class having less utility, less damage but similar mobility to destro class is balanced