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Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:30 pm
by empmoz
Gurf wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:52 pm How can Destro win 43% of their attacks but then Order win 94% of defence, surely Order only wins 57% of defences if Destro win 43% attacking? :?
Order wins 90% of fort attacks

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:08 pm
by emiliorv
empmoz wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:30 pm
Gurf wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:52 pm How can Destro win 43% of their attacks but then Order win 94% of defence, surely Order only wins 57% of defences if Destro win 43% attacking? :?
Order wins 90% of fort attacks
Since patch 11/11/2020 Order wins 100% of fort attacks

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:23 pm
by M0rw47h
emiliorv wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:08 pm
empmoz wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:30 pm
Gurf wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:52 pm How can Destro win 43% of their attacks but then Order win 94% of defence, surely Order only wins 57% of defences if Destro win 43% attacking? :?
Order wins 90% of fort attacks
Since patch 11/11/2020 Order wins 100% of fort attacks
...but they just lost one.

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:33 pm
by emiliorv
M0rw47h wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:23 pm
Spoiler:
emiliorv wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:08 pm
empmoz wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:30 pm

Order wins 90% of fort attacks
Since patch 11/11/2020 Order wins 100% of fort attacks
...but they just lost one.
Im using the data uploaded at the speadsheet, probably not updated in realtime...

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:48 pm
by Fey
Does anyone know the actual numbers? Successful attack and defense for both sides?

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:19 pm
by Naelar
Fey wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:48 pm Does anyone know the actual numbers? Successful attack and defense for both sides?
The spreadsheet in the link below should be accurate to within a day or so.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42111

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:31 pm
by Charon
Gurf wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:52 pm How can Destro win 43% of their attacks but then Order win 94% of defence, surely Order only wins 57% of defences if Destro win 43% attacking? :?
Destruction wins 43 % of attacks when fmj / dachosen etc is pushing for Altdorf, rating increases with Altdorf star status.
Destruction fails to def 94 % of their forts when des pug is pushing for IC, Lets be honest IC status does not matter.

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:03 am
by Koha
simple math indeed

ranged aoe ORDER = 3 vs DESTRO 2
melee aoe ORDER = 2 VS DESTRO 3
(counting as aoe : BW , sorc , engie, magus , SW , WL, Marau, SL, Choppa, mSH)

aoe on order are more ranged based and destro more melee, giving order an advantage in fort indeed, the same discrepancy gives advantage to destro in city for melee aoe domination and CD reduction ?

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:13 am
by Deaves
Koha wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:03 am simple math indeed

ranged aoe ORDER = 3 vs DESTRO 2
melee aoe ORDER = 2 VS DESTRO 3
(counting as aoe : BW , sorc , engie, magus , SW , WL, Marau, SL, Choppa, mSH)

aoe on order are more ranged based and destro more melee, giving order an advantage in fort indeed, the same discrepancy gives advantage to destro in city for melee aoe domination and CD reduction ?
this sums it up very well imo

Re: Destruction fort attack

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:01 am
by Rekoom
Deaves wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:13 am
Koha wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:03 am simple math indeed

ranged aoe ORDER = 3 vs DESTRO 2
melee aoe ORDER = 2 VS DESTRO 3
(counting as aoe : BW , sorc , engie, magus , SW , WL, Marau, SL, Choppa, mSH)

aoe on order are more ranged based and destro more melee, giving order an advantage in fort indeed, the same discrepancy gives advantage to destro in city for melee aoe domination and CD reduction ?
this sums it up very well imo
Not really, no. Most organized groups/guilds agree on Order melee ball being stronger in cities too.

Destro melee ball punishes pugs easier maybe? Or maybe (it's a rhetorical question) there are more players pugging cities on Order?