nat3s wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 5:56 pm
Sorry not picking on you here, but this is a common misconception.
The last 2 cities I was in were IC sieges where Order had a big overpopulatrion over Destro in the forts that secured the city siege. We can only speculate because we cannot see the number of each side in the queue, but given many Destro queuers missed out on these days, it appears the Order overpopulation xrealmed to Destro for the siege.
nat3s wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 5:56 pm
Now ignoring the fact that forcing people to play a side they may not actually have chars on or an affinity with is just going to lead to people quitting... Suggesting players do not play the overpopulated side is not actually as easy as it sounds, because nobody can know until it's too late that there actually is an overpopulation in the city queues and to which side (given we cannot see city queue stats in realtime so there was no way know an Order overpopulation in the Forts switched to a Desto overpop for cities). The first you know of it is after 20 minutes of queueing you didn't get an instance for your WB despite queuing as soon as the timer started.
Great idea honestly it excludes no one and city just essentially turns into being the cherry on top not the whole cakeCountTalabecland wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 8:55 pmThis is correct.Spoiler:
As much a ppl on this forum seem to hate the concept, most ppl like to play while contributing to character progression. Progression, even if it is a slight power bump from a new gear set, is the primary motivation. Locking it behind content (cities) which the individual has no power to access, only what time of day they log on and whether population and campaign allows them to get to it, means they are just going to city log.
No one would have to city log with universal currency.
Caduceus wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 8:49 pm
Isn't it time to call out the elephant in the room?
City as main endgame content is fundamentally broken.
- People get excluded because of overpopulation;
- People get excluded because they live in the wrong timezone;
- People get excluded because they picked the wrong class;
- The vast majority of city instances are one-sided stomps, boring for both stomper and stompee;
- The contribution system is broken, favoring certain classes in what is supposed to be a team effort.
Now, I have a rule that I don't complain about a problem without proposing a solution, so I propose to make ORvR the primary endgame/means of getting endgame equipment. Why?
- ORvR is reasonably balanced.
- ORvR is available for everyone, at any time.
- ORvR features a reward system that is acceptable to most.
- Players can participate in whatever form they like most. Solo, 6-man, multiple WBs, it is all possible.
- The outnumbered/underdog faction has opportunity to fight back/defend, and plenty of reason to continue participating.
Royal Crests already drop from gold and purple loot bags. Make the amount scale with renown rank.
If the worry is that people will make a minimal effort to get loot rolls, make the bottom 10% in contribution get a roll, but not a roll bonus. Or something along those lines.
Make city only available for premades, and turn it into a secondary (not primary) means of earning endgame currency, as an extra reward for those groups who seek out the additional challenge.
