Return of Reckoning

CountTalabecland wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:15 pm I don’t think the OP’s argument that Knockback timers should apply to SH is unreasonable. At the very least make it a channel ability like zealot that can be taunt interrupted. Being able to move and do multiple knockbacks on a ranged class (even in melee build) is over performing imo. Especially when combined with choppa pull, order flies across the screen for 20 seconds, can’t use abilities, and is dead.

If the SH had to be channeling in place or at least without the ability to pounce out again that would be more balanced for counter play. Ik WL has pounce but that it so they can single target dps/their crowd control is very limited. A melee class jumping out of guard range to burst makes sense because it risky to leave guard/heal range. A ranged class melee defensive build jumping out of guard range but being survivable with tank level cc is neither risky nor reasonable. Who cares what dps it does if the cc is so powerful the target group is interrupted until the rest of the dest grp shows up to dps?

I understand that this might not be a big threat to e-sport type “meta” groups, whatever that is, but for the majority of the server who pug or form impromptu grps from /5, it is indeed imo borderline gamebreakiny effective.

Edit: I realize a lot of its effectiveness in Pug/wb play comes from order’s squishy tendency not to play tanks and melee. Ik, I hate it too but its been this way for 10 years so regrettably i think it needs to be taken into balance considerations even though it is 100% player choice to suck that bad.

Ugle wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:12 am It was Baloon, I were in the scenario. Specced for cc annoyance, killing pet really dosent help. Luckily not many meatballs like him

Machwar wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:50 am

CountTalabecland wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:15 pm I don’t think the OP’s argument that Knockback timers should apply to SH is unreasonable. At the very least make it a channel ability like zealot that can be taunt interrupted. Being able to move and do multiple knockbacks on a ranged class (even in melee build) is over performing imo. Especially when combined with choppa pull, order flies across the screen for 20 seconds, can’t use abilities, and is dead.

If the SH had to be channeling in place or at least without the ability to pounce out again that would be more balanced for counter play. Ik WL has pounce but that it so they can single target dps/their crowd control is very limited. A melee class jumping out of guard range to burst makes sense because it risky to leave guard/heal range. A ranged class melee defensive build jumping out of guard range but being survivable with tank level cc is neither risky nor reasonable. Who cares what dps it does if the cc is so powerful the target group is interrupted until the rest of the dest grp shows up to dps?

I understand that this might not be a big threat to e-sport type “meta” groups, whatever that is, but for the majority of the server who pug or form impromptu grps from /5, it is indeed imo borderline gamebreakiny effective.

Edit: I realize a lot of its effectiveness in Pug/wb play comes from order’s squishy tendency not to play tanks and melee. Ik, I hate it too but its been this way for 10 years so regrettably i think it needs to be taken into balance considerations even though it is 100% player choice to suck that bad.

Luckily for us, it's already a channeling

That's mean even a taunt interrupt it no ?

Ugle wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:12 am It was Baloon, I were in the scenario. Specced for cc annoyance, killing pet really dosent help. Luckily not many meatballs like him

Ugle wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:12 am It was Baloon, I were in the scenario. Specced for cc annoyance, killing pet really dosent help. Luckily not many meatballs like him

Jinxypie wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:04 pm

Ugle wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:12 am It was Baloon, I were in the scenario. Specced for cc annoyance, killing pet really dosent help. Luckily not many meatballs like him

Just watch some Zarbix stream man. He forced Balloon pull back all the time via pet kill.