Return of Reckoning

Zaxxond wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:13 pm So I understand, Mara's were upset because their pull was getting disrupted because it was intel based and now is based off of strength so as to not be disrupted as much. Even with the pull being intel based, I disrupted pull rarely.

So the Mara was facing what every Magical Caster on Destro/Order is currently having to deal with. A **** ton of disrupt, but with only 1 of their abilities. Magical Casters on both sides deal with a **** ton of disrupt on ALL OF THEIR ABILITIES.

Order/Destro MDPS seems like they need more buffs to be able to take down the menace which is Magical RDPS. I say keep buffing melee classes as they need all the anti kiting tools, snares, knock downs, pulls, charges, guard and dedicated healers to deal with the OP Magical Casters.

Eathisword wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:04 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm As a form of CC, it is nonsensical to be subjected to such RNG/varying results. Whether or not this means increasing the CD or whatever is open to debate, but as a form of CC, it is imperative that we ensure that both TE and Fetch function as per their design.

This is a bonkers argument. If this was true, that CC must fire and be reliable, then tanks KD and punt would also be undefendable or rely on a defense check that their main targets don't have (ie. punt can now be dodged, no more of that parry or block !). They are what makes or break a fight 90% of the time in 12v12 and less. Yet... the argument has basically never come up. And, in the tank game, having to deal with humongous amount of parry/block from opposing tanks forces you to be super mindful of when you punt, or it forces you to use KD then punt to ensure the punt isn't avoided when you have any amount of latency.

But I guess that doesn'T have to apply to mara and WL... cause their CC is more important than tanks

peterthepan3 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm
As a form of CC, it is nonsensical to be subjected to such RNG/varying results. Whether or not this means increasing the CD or whatever is open to debate, but as a form of CC, it is imperative that we ensure that both TE and Fetch function as per their design.

Aurandilaz wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:17 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm
As a form of CC, it is nonsensical to be subjected to such RNG/varying results. Whether or not this means increasing the CD or whatever is open to debate, but as a form of CC, it is imperative that we ensure that both TE and Fetch function as per their design.

The design would then be that all forms of CC that can be used to control flow of largescale battles are subject to being countered by HTL (buff Disrupt + Dodge) - so that enemy that properly stacks defensive checks will be able to counter the CC. This includes longer range displacement CC, Magus Rift, Engi Magnet and Mara INT based TE - Choppa pull was a very short range displacement effect, not the imbalanced as hell 65ft melee CC that could not be countered by normal HTL + warband defensive tools. WL pet meanwhile would melt before getting halfway that 65ft distance, not to mention class not really existing as a factor at all when it comes to largescale balance.
If you wanna push meta that includes 8 maras cheesing the crap out of Pulls that HTL does not counter, all while spamming 70-80% armor ignore abilities and rotating Interrupts, as you slowly fish the enemy WB dry from targets with low parry values... well yay?

What you think of "balancing" 6man scene will in this really cause a major **** when it comes to largescale balance. Mara was absurdly good in wb scale already, after this changed it got buffed further.