I want to talk about dps DOK

[Wam]

Too much grass is greener and envy in community... wanting all on one side

WP is better healer than dok
Dok is slightly better dps than WP

now if you give wp better dps and don't give dok better healing that is order bias

now if you give wp better dps and give dok better healing... destro will break order even more because order is less organised generally and other things need fixing first in my opinion before a fair state of balance is achieved across the board...

I.e Choppa pull needs to be fixed

Then order dps classes need to be looked at viability for warband play, proper viability to compete with BW for spots... not just AOE dps(BW best raw dmg) but some special worthwhile utility also ... other classes on order need to be brought up, BW doesn't need to be put down anymore.

like Engineers for example mobility needs to be looked at... in static fight sure can do well if it can build up stacks, the issue is open field fights which are fast flowing and numerous so easy to lose its damage stacks/mobility. (BW doesn't have this issue, so it counts against Engi)
Slayer is almost good enough tbh
WL need aoe
Sw needs more to compete with BW

and on destro side
Choppa needs replacement for broken pull and other fixes
SH needs more aoe dps
Magus similar to Engi with mobility but it's not as bad as Destro have more viable dps classes to mix.

That is what kind of needs to be looked at first with choppa fix priority, healers are similar and are in okay spot, same as tanks besides blackguard which is king of solo and 6 man, but not warband but its better at the other aspects so its a bit of trade off. (IB is a little bit better than BG for wb, but kotbs>SM>IB)

Then if you are being really picky, witch hunter and witch elf being more viable for wb

After this, and balance is more fair across the board and broken things are fixed and order has more legitmate choices and pairings... then other things are worth looking into after the main issues have been resolved and created a more level playing field for both sides.

It's a joke and silly to complain about dps healers... especially in pug sc because there might be a few good one's who are co-ordinated but there is also alot of undergeared and renowned ones who get farmed all the time, take up a slot and barely useful. There are extremes to both sides because PUG RNG. Doesn't make it OP, just makes it strong in a enviroment where assist is weak and teamwork is weak... sounds like player issues to me more than mechanic or balance issue. Now if pugs assisted, punted the guard of the dok away and had st burst... would you be making such threads i don't think so.

[DanielWinner]

I believe, OP got a discussion he wanted and everything was answered extensively.

Locking now.