Return of Reckoning

Zaxxond wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:36 pm
This quote is the key point in this thread and the solution. What tactics/specs/classes is EU Destro running to combat EU Order BW Warbands?

Thats the thing, EU Destro only organize their warbands towards strategy. Evening after evening do we have to face 3 warbands where they coordinate flanks to fight our 3fg + 1fg puggies.

And then they complain we are AoE focused, and how our tools to fight these odds need to be nerfed

We have people who would love to play their Engineers, WL, SWs. but we need to bring out the AoE canons since destro dont want to dance wb vs wb.

I call for affirmative action. All WBs must contain at least one dps Runepriest or Zealot.

mara GoM--> nerf to 25%
slayer rampage ---> nerf 25%
BW---> nerf m2 into dot/channeling
wl---> buff dmg aoe / cut ap cost of aoe skill
wh---> dragon gun kd 2sec / moral drian tactic fix
we-->buff the same way aoe wl got buffed above
squig/slayer-->cd increase aoe nerfed to 2.5 sec, both are now cone (remove slayer target conditions)

you now have meta diversity....

I think some of you are leaving out one of the most important contributing factors, and that's that they are generally fun to play.
Interesting abilities, great utility, nice damage, fun "combo" system- BWs have things like Stop, Drop, and Roll- Withering Heat- Pyroclastic Surge- Detonate. While Sorcs are so boring in comparison and have some **** animations. So, so boring...

Magus would be a great alternative if they would bring some old abilities back, like Theft of Words- Swat Aside- Befuddling Green Fire- and if they weren't tethered to those stupid daemons.

Play all three magic classes and you'll see why they're so popular. Rvr bombing isn't the only reason- fun factor plays a huge role.

Tesq wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:27 pm
squig/slayer-->cd increase aoe nerfed to 2.5 sec, both are now cone (remove slayer target conditions)

SQ has the same target condition.

catholicism198 wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:28 pm I think some of you are leaving out one of the most important contributing factors, and that's that they are generally fun to play.
Interesting abilities, great utility, nice damage, fun "combo" system- BWs have things like Stop, Drop, and Roll- Withering Heat- Pyroclastic Surge- Detonate. While Sorcs are so boring in comparison and have some **** animations. So, so boring...

Magus would be a great alternative if they would bring some old abilities back, like Theft of Words- Swat Aside- Befuddling Green Fire- and if they weren't tethered to those stupid daemons.

Play all three magic classes and you'll see why they're so popular. Rvr bombing isn't the only reason- fun factor plays a huge role.

Tesq wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:27 pm
squig/slayer-->cd increase aoe nerfed to 2.5 sec, both are now cone (remove slayer target conditions)

SQ has the same target condition.

i mean the conditional per target hit slayer have, not target cap.

edit: ah yes patch 19 last line still remove em..

Tesq wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:30 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:28 pm I think some of you are leaving out one of the most important contributing factors, and that's that they are generally fun to play.
Interesting abilities, great utility, nice damage, fun "combo" system- BWs have things like Stop, Drop, and Roll- Withering Heat- Pyroclastic Surge- Detonate. While Sorcs are so boring in comparison and have some **** animations. So, so boring...

Magus would be a great alternative if they would bring some old abilities back, like Theft of Words- Swat Aside- Befuddling Green Fire- and if they weren't tethered to those stupid daemons.

Play all three magic classes and you'll see why they're so popular. Rvr bombing isn't the only reason- fun factor plays a huge role.

Tesq wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:27 pm
squig/slayer-->cd increase aoe nerfed to 2.5 sec, both are now cone (remove slayer target conditions)

SQ has the same target condition.

i mean the conditional per target hit slayer have, not target cap.

Yeah, Squigs have it too, 1 hit=1 second, 2=2seconds, etc.
It was recently nerfed for the second time.

looking over some of the responces and solution i would think that fist thing is define the problem. So verry verry often we go though the stae of its a problem, dont define exactly what it is but regarless of that derive solutions. (persdoanl favorite 5xCD on all aoe splls)
Lets try identify and god forbid actualy agree.
Identify how it can be sloved without said direct nerf to anny class

princeples of what a class should do what they sould not do
form ground princeples what they perform too well at what they do badly at
if princeples are wrong adjsut ..

avoid SW mentality (sorry have to stab at them thier balance thread just iratete the f out of me)

identify what functions not skills classes need have too much of
balance , avoid the detail


lets the whining start

catholicism198 wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:32 pm Yeah, Squigs have it too, 1 hit=1 second, 2=2seconds, etc.
It was recently nerfed for the second time.

You mean where it was balanced to be able to be group cleansed, or when it was balanced to work the same as Shatter Limbs, seeing as it's easier to apply it to people who are most impacted, healers, via Pounce?

No one uses Stop Drop and Roll, but yes your point stands about people wanting to play fun classes; that's why destro tanks are prevalent.

Forgive me if I'm off base, but I don't see the point of this thread past page 1. BW is taken because it's the most effective, viable class for wb. If you'd like to create a balance proposal for BW, you may do so; and once order have viable warband specs for other classes, we'll start to see them more prevalent.

So you gonna tweak another order classes to make viable in Wb and keep BW OP ?

dansari wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:35 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:32 pm Yeah, Squigs have it too, 1 hit=1 second, 2=2seconds, etc.
It was recently nerfed for the second time.

You mean where it was balanced to be able to be group cleansed, or when it was balanced to work the same as Shatter Limbs, seeing as it's easier to apply it to people who are most impacted, healers, via Pounce?

No one uses Stop Drop and Roll, but yes your point stands about people wanting to play fun classes; that's why destro tanks are prevalent.

Forgive me if I'm off base, but I don't see the point of this thread past page 1. BW is taken because it's the most effective, viable class for wb. If you'd like to create a balance proposal for BW, you may do so; and once order have viable warband specs for other classes, we'll start to see them more prevalent.

you wont till GoM is nerfed,,,, because well the only aoe class that can bypass GoM is bw...my mara lol lv 44 have 50% armor image what that would be with a full conqueror rr 60 mara with armor /res talisman slot then all crits /crit reduction and avodiance in renown....des wb can alredy kill bw one, if GoM dont get take down access to other classes wont happen when 8/9 target for aoe are between 8 tanks and 2/4 mara XD.

GoM and rampage balance each other nerf both and both realm meta will rejoice and most likely St slayer and st choppa can have see that pesky core avoidance debuff be made more usefull for cover the st issues.