Healer long-term choice (with dps perspective)

[peterthepan3]

AM does not have access to 2 x ere we go, 240 toughness debuff or DWiC; it does not have the same burst potential.

How exactly those affect shaman burst? 400 dmg (1 tactic slot + 1 gcd) from double ere we go is like one tick of one dot. 240 toughness debuff boosts your burst for +- the same amount. DWIC is everything but not the singletarget burst thing also, it has less damage and less range than brainburst. Moreover you barely can combine any 2 of mentioned "burst tools" into single rotation if your target is not afk
tl;dr: that utility/pressure things, not burst tools

Burst is maximum damage you can do within as short a time as possible (one timestamp, ideally). DWIC hits when Brain Bursta lands. 2 x ere we go are triggered with the aforementioned two abilities. You then finish with laser.

AM doesn't have as much damage potential within a timestamp or two as the Shaman can get (though I concede that it probably isn't far off). Even during double spirit debuff era, Shaman could achieve more burst dps. When assisting a magus or sorc, I barely even used dots because the above was usually more than sufficient in killing targets.

Inability to actually pull off the rotation is a user issue.

[Scottx125]

shaman if you wanna ranged, wp if melee

Don't go WP if you want to melee DPS. It's still worse than DOK. Even grace healer is only viable in SC's and it's sub-par. Though it's the best AOE healer IMO. Shaman is a nasty little DPS brute though.

[dshdf]

DWIC hits when Brain Bursta lands. 2 x ere we go are triggered with the aforementioned two abilities. You then finish with laser.

AM doesn't have as much damage potential within a timestamp or two as the Shaman can get (though I concede that it probably isn't far off). Even during double spirit debuff era, Shaman could achieve more burst dps. When assisting a magus or sorc, I barely even used dots because the above was usually more than sufficient in killing targets.

Inability to actually pull off the rotation is a user issue.

just some numbers to clarify

1.ere we go + BB+ DWIC+ laser = 3608 dmg overall Casts:insta+2s+2s+insta 1 crit out of 3
2.avaliable to AM BB+Bigwaagh+laser =3193 dmg overall Casts: 2s+1s+insta 1crit out of 3
just add one dot(1st tick will be in the same timestamp when your burst lands) and damage will be equal

so in terms of burst am and sham is kinda equal (and am burst is more reliable due to striketrough)
But obviously DPS shaman outperforms AM in terms of grouputility and assist potential

[peterthepan3]

Shaman also has dots:P Don't forget access to Talon from zealot. AM lack a dwic equivalent, which can crit for 1.4k+.... You need to test actual am vs shaman and not shaman with DBW as a filler.

But dps am makes the better 6man dps for sure.

[Telen]

Dismissing the DoK is a mistake. WP just doesnt feel right when dps. Dont know what it is the class just feels clunky.

[defleshed]

DWIC hits when Brain Bursta lands. 2 x ere we go are triggered with the aforementioned two abilities. You then finish with laser.

AM doesn't have as much damage potential within a timestamp or two as the Shaman can get (though I concede that it probably isn't far off). Even during double spirit debuff era, Shaman could achieve more burst dps. When assisting a magus or sorc, I barely even used dots because the above was usually more than sufficient in killing targets.

Inability to actually pull off the rotation is a user issue.

just some numbers to clarify

1.ere we go + BB+ DWIC+ laser = 3608 dmg overall Casts:insta+2s+2s+insta 1 crit out of 3
2.avaliable to AM BB+Bigwaagh+laser =3193 dmg overall Casts: 2s+1s+insta 1crit out of 3
just add one dot(1st tick will be in the same timestamp when your burst lands) and damage will be equal

so in terms of burst am and sham is kinda equal (and am burst is more reliable due to striketrough)
But obviously DPS shaman outperforms AM in terms of grouputility and assist potential

Hey all,

Can anyone answer this?

I just came back from a 2 year break, ive been playing DPS shamans and loved it. From all the changes people are saying that dps shaman are no longer playable due to the disrupt change and not having any strikethrough abilities. Can you please expand and explain as I am interested in playing a dps shaman end game.

[catholicism198]

Shaman also has dots:P Don't forget access to Talon from zealot. AM lack a dwic equivalent, which can crit for 1.4k+.... You need to test actual am vs shaman and not shaman with DBW as a filler.

But dps am makes the better 6man dps for sure.

Not nearly as many dots, or dots that scale with their primary dps mastery...and dwic and bb only come close to hitting at the same time if you are at max range, but that rarely happens since players are always moving- you're better off just casting two bbs.

Shaman need another dot that scales with PoGork in order for them to begin to close the gap.

[peterthepan3]

I beg to differ: with disrupt reverted to older values, and new gorks barbs, I think dps shaman can be in a good place atm. They were never as dot dependent as am and giving more dots would mandate removing or nerfing other stuff that shaman has over am.

[defleshed]

I beg to differ: with disrupt reverted to older values, and new gorks barbs, I think dps shaman can be in a good place atm. They were never as dot dependent as am and giving more dots would mandate removing or nerfing other stuff that shaman has over am.

They Reverted the disrupt to older values? can you link me the patch changes?

[dshdf]

Shaman also has dots:P Don't forget access to Talon from zealot. AM lack a dwic equivalent, which can crit for 1.4k+.... You need to test actual am vs shaman and not shaman with DBW as a filler.

But dps am makes the better 6man dps for sure.

Sadly Am got more dots to throw in. Also that will be not a burst already.
AM lack DWiC equivalent because DWiC is great "filler" ability while you switch targets, w8 for cooldowns, spam into zerg etc.

Anyway just wanted to bust "shaman got better burst" myth. DPS sham/am difference is not about burst

Hey all,

Can anyone answer this?

I just came back from a 2 year break, ive been playing DPS shamans and loved it. From all the changes people are saying that dps shaman are no longer playable due to the disrupt change and not having any strikethrough abilities. Can you please expand and explain as I am interested in playing a dps shaman end game.

its playable, but to deal with disrupt you need to go full suicide build
or you can run loldps build usefull only for soloroam against lowbies/people without pots/healers
in the same time Am can just slot striketrough and invest into def stats a bit, still being dangerous to enemy

BUT
if you like Sham just do it. Currently he's fun and dangerous enough as DPS if not focused