Arbich wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 2:17 pm
You will lose you extra range from skirmisher tree (and a lot of your kiting potential), when you take this skill. You maybe also lose the best heal debuff in the game. If the AoE part isn´t an issue, then I don´t think this skill will be overpowered given the things you lose when taking it.
The comparison to the other trees skills suggest that they are too powerful if they need something this powerful to compete. I would suggest that the way to bring scout into line is to reduce the power of the games best heal debuff and extra range rather than making all three trees Over performing.
Not a smart suggestion to nerf already "use it until you can use Assault" tree aka Skirmish.
The whole point of those comparisons is that Scout may have good synergy with Skirmish tree that's why it was mentioned here that you won't be able to get everything from both tree, you will have to choose.
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Arbich wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 2:17 pm
You will lose you extra range from skirmisher tree (and a lot of your kiting potential), when you take this skill. You maybe also lose the best heal debuff in the game. If the AoE part isn´t an issue, then I don´t think this skill will be overpowered given the things you lose when taking it.
The comparison to the other trees skills suggest that they are too powerful if they need something this powerful to compete. I would suggest that the way to bring scout into line is to reduce the power of the games best heal debuff and extra range rather than making all three trees Over performing.
Not a smart suggestion to nerf already "use it until you can use Assault" tree aka Skirmish.
The whole point of those comparisons is that Scout may have good synergy with Skirmish tree that's why it was mentioned here that you won't be able to get everything from both tree, you will have to choose.
The point is for a 15 point skill giving 3k for 1 gcd is more than equivalent , the argument given here is that other skill from other trees are so good that this level is only thing that would make it interesting suggest that the other skills are too good.
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
The comparison to the other trees skills suggest that they are too powerful if they need something this powerful to compete. I would suggest that the way to bring scout into line is to reduce the power of the games best heal debuff and extra range rather than making all three trees Over performing.
Not a smart suggestion to nerf already "use it until you can use Assault" tree aka Skirmish.
The whole point of those comparisons is that Scout may have good synergy with Skirmish tree that's why it was mentioned here that you won't be able to get everything from both tree, you will have to choose.
The point is for a 15 point skill giving 3k for 1 gcd is more than equivalent , the argument given here is that other skill from other trees are so good that this level is only thing that would make it interesting suggest that the other skills are too good.
What do you mean by 3k for 1gcd? You need 10 successful attacks in 10 seconds period to apply this damage therefore it can be considered as 10 gcds requirement actually.
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:42 pm
by Arbich
Acidic wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 3:23 pm
The point is for a 15 point skill giving 3k for 1 gcd is more than equivalent , the argument given here is that other skill from other trees are so good that this level is only thing that would make it interesting suggest that the other skills are too good.
I didn´t mean they are too good. We are talking here about the SW as a a rdps, so assault tree doesn´t matter. A rdps SW has usually a mix of scout and skirmisher tree. losing the increased range of skirmisher abilities is a huge nerf, so the ability in exchange should be very potent.
I don´t see a problem with the best heal debuff in game. This and maybe the knockdown are the main reasons to actually take a rdps sw in your group. There also exist the best armor debuff, the best wounds debuff...and so on... would you like to nerf them also?
Personally, I don´t think the proposed ability is worth all the things you lose in exchange. But maybe it has it uses in special occasions.
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Not a smart suggestion to nerf already "use it until you can use Assault" tree aka Skirmish.
The whole point of those comparisons is that Scout may have good synergy with Skirmish tree that's why it was mentioned here that you won't be able to get everything from both tree, you will have to choose.
The point is for a 15 point skill giving 3k for 1 gcd is more than equivalent , the argument given here is that other skill from other trees are so good that this level is only thing that would make it interesting suggest that the other skills are too good.
What do you mean by 3k for 1gcd? You need 10 successful attacks in 10 seconds period to apply this damage therefore it can be considered as 10 gcds requirement actually.
The skill gives 300damage for next 10 attacks , that is 1 additional gcd to give 3k damage .
So 1gcd is giving 3k damage
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Acidic wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 3:23 pm
The point is for a 15 point skill giving 3k for 1 gcd is more than equivalent , the argument given here is that other skill from other trees are so good that this level is only thing that would make it interesting suggest that the other skills are too good.
What do you mean by 3k for 1gcd? You need 10 successful attacks in 10 seconds period to apply this damage therefore it can be considered as 10 gcds requirement actually.
The skill gives 300damage for next 10 attacks , that is 1 additional gcd to give 3k damage .
So 1gcd is giving 3k damage
That's a terrible way of looking at it.
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Acidic wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 3:23 pm
The point is for a 15 point skill giving 3k for 1 gcd is more than equivalent , the argument given here is that other skill from other trees are so good that this level is only thing that would make it interesting suggest that the other skills are too good.
What do you mean by 3k for 1gcd? You need 10 successful attacks in 10 seconds period to apply this damage therefore it can be considered as 10 gcds requirement actually.
The skill gives 300damage for next 10 attacks , that is 1 additional gcd to give 3k damage .
So 1gcd is giving 3k damage
300 x 1 = 300
300 x 10 = 3000
300 x 1 = 300 x 10
Funny, but this isn't general discussion. - Dan
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:58 pm
by darude83
Spoiler:
This thread is hilarious.
A debate about a useless 15pt. ability that no SW ever asked for, naturally gets enriched by a destro playing whiner who wants to claim SWs are overpowered anyways.
Thank god we moved this proposal to discussion, instead of the sensible one, which would have had addressed some of the actual issues Scout SWs are facing.
Instead of balancing the game with a LIGHT TOUCH, some hybris ridden people seem to be hellbent on introducing their 15pt signature abilities.
FUN FACT:
Do you guys realize, that there already is a morale ability, that does 300 extra dmg on your attacks? NO????? BECAUSE NO ONE EVER USES THAT ****!
please no getting triggered in the balance forum - Dan
Re: [Shadow Warrior] new 15pt ability in Path of The Scout . [Close Date: 22nd May]
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:58 pm
by daniilpb
Arbich wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 3:42 pm
Personally, I don´t think the proposed ability is worth all the things you lose in exchange. But maybe it has it uses in special occasions.
The main concept can be saved and numbers are tweaked to achieve reward/price balance.
