Return of Reckoning

Torquemadra wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:45 pm They both circle the same relative power levels but there are issues with the WE and the way it has no need to make use of its mechanics finishers.

Kiss procs happen on everything, bullets only on finishers
Holding onto Frenzy points has benefit, whereas accusations are to be spent

This makes spamming Agonizing wounds more efficient than using finishers.

The issue has been in place since mythic changed WE from a more melee centric version which had not only reasons to use finishers and also had to integrate kisses as part of a attack chain, to a "Witch hunter lite" where every finisher became ranged for no good reason and birthed the game of AW spam

Launch WE had issues to be sure, for example they had a tactic where every finisher put s 3s 75% armour debuff on enemy players, kinda nuts right especially as had aoe finishers? But they could have changed that to personal armour penetration for the player concerned.

Im currently making an entirely separate set of abilities where the WE will be moved back into its original intent with a combination of launch abilities, beta abilities and current amended where appropriate to bring it back into an engaging, varied and unique playstyle.

Now at launch kiss procs were dots with an effect but that played against you if you got multiple procs in a short space of time, kisses were also an attack so their was a problem with defending and preventing the mechanism being activated.



With this variant its a combination, its an attack that sets a buff which carries the effects, the buff applies even if the damage is defended and of course this comes without ranged finishers.

All post launcher that is.

Torquemadra wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:12 pm

bichka wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:19 pm as i remember annihilator set for WE/WH on live had armor debuff proc for full set. why it was nerfed here?

because it didnt?

Torquemadra wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 3:44 am

roadkillrobin wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 3:32 am If you plan on goin back to old WE Kiss mechanic then i'd also sugest you bring back the tactics for them like Kiss of Doom.
Also noteble is that WH kisses does almoast twice the damage and you can chain them at 50% proc rate if you want to.

Nice try, Im well aware of how WH functions and your assertion is slanted to say the least, rather specific and not really viable.

and as said, thats not the old kiss mechanic, its a combination and variant and the proc potential capacity of WE is off the charts in comparison to WH, still, could always just tie them to finishers and drive another nail into proc meta which as you may have gathered, we are not fans of.

Torquemadra wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 5:48 am

roadkillrobin wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 5:26 am

Torquemadra wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 3:44 am

Nice try, Im well aware of how WH functions and your assertion is slanted to say the least, rather specific and not really viable.

and as said, thats not the old kiss mechanic, its a combination and variant and the proc potential capacity of WE is off the charts in comparison to WH, still, could always just tie them to finishers and drive another nail into proc meta which as you may have gathered, we are not fans of.

Whats slanted about it?
Tieing kisses to finnishers won't solve it coz you can just rotate AW+Puncture, just like you can rotate Torrment+Absolution for high proc rate. And if you do that without making finnishers and proc damage for WE better you create a massive power creep between WH and WE's. Aswell how is Witch Brew gonna function with Kisses procing of finnishers?

You may also remember that if Kiss of Agony for example was blocked/parried as it was on a shared CD with the other Kisses rendered the WE without able to get a single Kiss proc for 30 seconds.

And what are you asuimg i'm trying? I have no personal agenda, nor does I have a realm bias. I'm all in favor of a ballanced game and the only thing i really care about is classes being fun and feel good to play. Fun to play imo isn't creating exact mirrors, but having the same opportunies that you achive in differnt ways.

I presume you have an agenda because I assume you are not stupid but you know, I could easily be wrong here. A monstrously op tactic at 3 points that adds value to all builds but no synergy dedicated to the suffering tree isn't happening.

An allusion to abilities of the past isn't a wishlist for grossly broken items and the tactic you are referencing was designed in a phase when kiss procs were all dots, which puts a hugely different perspective on things.

Tldr: