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peterthepan3
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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#21 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:22 pm

Unstoppable1776 wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:18 pm It’s funny how all the WP are all crying about not getting all their defensive tools. Welcome to the dps dok torture. Welcome to not being a super tank dps. The devs did the smart move not putting it in the grace tree. One could spec AOE detaunt, extra heals, and still be OP.

Also Wrath tree does have a tactic for healing yourself off dmg for wrath, another cookie you guys get. Trust me WP have their own set of tactics.

As far as the set tactic slots, Doks are in the same boat! But that’s like a majority of the classes.

This ability definitely should not be lowered. The ability should come at a price and make it 16 points to get.

The grass is not greener on the other side.

Have to agree. Wrath/Torture-heavy specs should dish out respectable damage, but have their defensive/self-healing capabilities lowered. You can't have all your eggs in one basket.
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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#22 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:12 pm

The new ability is **** - It's just plain and simple not worth spending 16 points too optain.

The CD mechanics of the skill seems also to be bugged, sometimes updating cooldown display sometimes not. (Could be client side, so this might just be my problem but for me its there)

Now, did it help to bring the WP class to where it needs to be and does it really help with survival and can you honestly say that it has broken any of the stupid meta's "just must have these tactics" problem?

No, it did'ent help the WP class to more survival nor did it help get around the "must have tactics" of the DPS WP. Sadly it just means you get to run around for 5 seconds without getting CC'ed. You still have to build according to the meta to have any viability and still you will fall short.

I got all kinds of gear at my disposal and regardless it will still not be enough cause some of the skills are simply just broken or useless or cant be obtained. Now 16 points into a tree, did you ever stop to think about how high in RR you need to be to get a build, where you can actually defend taking it?

Could you please go dream at the forums to get some inspiration as to how you fix this class? Did it ever cross the minds of whoever is working on the WP's, that those of us who play this class, more than any other class, might have a clue on how to fix it? You are more than welcome to come knocking on my door, fixing this class should be an easy job, I will defend and stand by that statement anytime!

Thank you!

Wosh Eherenreich

ps. Nobody cares or gives a flying **** about who is stonewalling what and why. The problem does not go away with accusations or excuses, it has been a problem for months now LET'S JUST FIX THE DAMN WP! Or at the very least, DEVS come out with your direction tell us where you are going with this class. What is on the drawing board and what is coming in the NEAR future. The worst that could happen is that you devs end up "fixing" the problem and we end up here again. And I state that cause of past experiences with "fixing" the WP's. I could mention the travesty of Sigmars Shield, to put some evidence behind my statement. That is one attempt that did'ent go as planned, I'm sure we can all agree!

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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#23 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:21 pm

Wosh wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:12 pm

Did it ever cross the minds of whoever is working on the WP's, that those of us who play this class, more than any other class, might have a clue on how to fix it? You are more than welcome to come knocking on my door, fixing this class should be an easy job, I will defend and stand by that statement anytime!


Funny, as I'm yet to see you posting proposals or engaging in discussions with your enlightened views on what the class ought to be.

You know where the proposal section is. Until you make a proposal, I wouldn't come across so arrogant.
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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#24 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:50 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:21 pm
Wosh wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:12 pm

Did it ever cross the minds of whoever is working on the WP's, that those of us who play this class, more than any other class, might have a clue on how to fix it? You are more than welcome to come knocking on my door, fixing this class should be an easy job, I will defend and stand by that statement anytime!


Funny, as I'm yet to see you posting proposals or engaging in discussions with your enlightened views on what the class ought to be.

You know where the proposal section is. Until you make a proposal, I wouldn't come across so arrogant.
I posted this - and that should give you 10 leads to start with!

Dreams, this is nothing but just plain and simple dreams. Maybe spark some idea but its nothing but dreaming.

Imagine wp's useing a shield that gives him the armor he needs to tank in the frontline. Now imagine each time he blocks he regains some righteousfury. Perhaps picking up the shield gave him a special bonus when useing a certain prayer and a reduction when useing another prayer. Now imagine the holy book or the mighty 2handed synergise with the effects from prayers.

Imagine wp's prayers granting personally buff aswell as group buffs or that a wp's prayer would stack with a potion, that healing on melee was buffed aswell and triggered personally, that damage was buffed aswell as triggered personally.. Imagine prayers defineing the moment a wp is in, synergiseing with his weapon of choice.

Imagine a wp where Fury, Fanatism, AA haste is nothing but a sad past. Not a must that has to be included, for the metas. Imagine a wp without the need of a personal guard, but with mass repent tied into the prayer. Channel abilities tied into prayers, a wp based on prayers that combine with his tools of choice, the hammer, the book and perhaps one day a shield. Diffrent outcome of an ability based on diffrent weapons, synergised with prayers that has been called based on the momentum of the battle. Not a prayer cast before battle, but one that changes with the flow of combat.

I imagine a world with no bounderies a test world, where one could perform battletest and joust. In such a world one could dream up and forge a wp. A might WP, one who is both fun to play and also includes balance. A warrior priest diverse in each of his roles, diversity with succes, when played proper.

dreams, dreams...
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There should be plenty of ideas above and 5 sec. of free moment ain't one of them! Yes Sir, you may call me arrogant, but if all you can come up with is a 16 point 5 sec. free moment skill to fix the class. You either don't have a clue or you are arrogant yourself, thinking this is how you fixed the class or that this was a priority of a fix!

But don't take my post alone into consideration, take the many posts that the forum hosts and draw ideas and concepts from those. Just don't give me the 16 points of skill failure and clap yourself on the back and call me arrogant when you get critique for it!

And If the memory of Torque can recall, I offered my help months ago when they where messing about with Sigmars shield.

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Wosh Eherenreich
The arrogant!

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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#25 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:02 pm

Dreams and ramblings don't interest me. Put one of those ramblings in the form of a well-thought-out proposal, and I'm sure people would be all ears.
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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#26 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:11 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:22 pm
Unstoppable1776 wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:18 pm Also Wrath tree does have a tactic for healing yourself off dmg for wrath, another cookie you guys get. Trust me WP have their own set of tactics.
WTF - are you even aware of how guilty soul works? - get your head out of your bush and stop telling us we have a healing tactic hidden in our wrath tree! That's a god damn joke, the skill is broken, the heals are ****, there is a problem with the ticks and reapplying before the tick. And to top it off, it only procs on wrath skills and that's another problem. Warrior priests main attack from that skill tree is weak, broken or useless (bludegeon). Guilty Soul have no synergy with another tactic found in the same treeline, as the dot from Guilty Soul, breaks the Detaunt effect.

Please go to town on a group of Destro without a guard or mass Detaunt and tell me how it went for those 5 seconds where you ran with 50% speed! You wanna continue telling me how my only class works and how I can play it best. Please do so, I'm hoping you can enlighten me on my many options as a WP.

Anytime you are interested in taking ideas seriously, please do contact me and let me know. My arrogant mind got plenty of time, if it turns the WP into a more fun and diverse class.

Best regards

Wosh Eherenreich

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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#27 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:12 pm

peterthepan3 wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:02 pm Dreams and ramblings don't interest me. Put one of those ramblings in the form of a well-thought-out proposal, and I'm sure people would be all ears.
RIGHT **** THERE, LOOK IN THE MIRROR FIND YOUR ARROGANCE!

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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#28 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:19 pm

Wosh wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:11 pm
peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:22 pm
Unstoppable1776 wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:18 pm Also Wrath tree does have a tactic for healing yourself off dmg for wrath, another cookie you guys get. Trust me WP have their own set of tactics.
WTF - are you even aware of how guilty soul works? - get your head out of your bush and stop telling us we have a healing tactic hidden in our wrath tree! That's a god damn joke, the skill is broken, the heals are ****, there is a problem with the ticks and reapplying before the tick. And to top it off, it only procs on wrath skills and that's another problem. Warrior priests main attack from that skill tree is weak, broken or useless (bludegeon). Guilty Soul have no synergy with another tactic found in the same treeline, as the dot from Guilty Soul, breaks the Detaunt effect.

Please go to town on a group of Destro without a guard or mass Detaunt and tell me how it went for those 5 seconds where you ran with 50% speed! You wanna continue telling me how my only class works and how I can play it best. Please do so, I'm hoping you can enlighten me on my many options as a WP.

Anytime you are interested in taking ideas seriously, please do contact me and let me know. My arrogant mind got plenty of time, if it turns the WP into a more fun and diverse class.

Best regards

Wosh Eherenreich
Guilty Soul was changed MONTHS ago to not re-apply, and thus it actually works (and it works well). And NO CLASS should be able to "go to town" on an opposing group by themselves and expect to do anything other than give the opposing group free renown. I am thinking you want to make the WP a god, which doesn't work well in a multiplayer game. If you have a good idea for a buff to the class, however, make a proper post in the Proposal subsection of the Balance forum. Getting angry and using ad hominems against other forum members isn't very effective at gaining support for your cause.
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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#29 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:24 pm

Spoiler:
peterthepan3 wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:02 pm Dreams and ramblings don't interest me. Put one of those ramblings in the form of a well-thought-out proposal, and I'm sure people would be all ears.
The fact we have a CLOWN as our balance moderator says all!

Was it arranged duelling you where dealing in 6 months ago to farm gear, did you crossrealm much to setup those fights?

Let's not settle with: "how to Clown around as a WP with a specific group selected purely to make the WP viable and prove it works as you stomp pugs!"

No wonder WP's feel **** here, with you onboard holding the steering wheel!

/Wosh
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Re: WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

Post#30 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:35 pm

Rydiak wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:19 pm
Wosh wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:11 pm
peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:22 pm

WTF - are you even aware of how guilty soul works? - get your head out of your bush and stop telling us we have a healing tactic hidden in our wrath tree! That's a god damn joke, the skill is broken, the heals are ****, there is a problem with the ticks and reapplying before the tick. And to top it off, it only procs on wrath skills and that's another problem. Warrior priests main attack from that skill tree is weak, broken or useless (bludegeon). Guilty Soul have no synergy with another tactic found in the same treeline, as the dot from Guilty Soul, breaks the Detaunt effect.

Please go to town on a group of Destro without a guard or mass Detaunt and tell me how it went for those 5 seconds where you ran with 50% speed! You wanna continue telling me how my only class works and how I can play it best. Please do so, I'm hoping you can enlighten me on my many options as a WP.

Anytime you are interested in taking ideas seriously, please do contact me and let me know. My arrogant mind got plenty of time, if it turns the WP into a more fun and diverse class.

Best regards

Wosh Eherenreich
Guilty Soul was changed MONTHS ago to not re-apply, and thus it actually works (and it works well). And NO CLASS should be able to "go to town" on an opposing group by themselves and expect to do anything other than give the opposing group free renown. I am thinking you want to make the WP a god, which doesn't work well in a multiplayer game. If you have a good idea for a buff to the class, however, make a proper post in the Proposal subsection of the Balance forum. Getting angry and using ad hominems against other forum members isn't very effective at gaining support for your cause.
You cant read between the lines, that you should aim for synergy within the class instead of trying to stop the leaks one cloth into the hole at a time. My dream post (let's call it that) should have sparked more than 10 ideas on how to better the class, if it didn't you aren't looking hard enough or you never looked.

If you can tell me exactly what is possible within the code then I both can and will come up with a balanced class. Until then you will just have to settle for peoples ideas and dreams and take what is possible. And when you fail to do so, live with the fact that some people aren't impressed by a 16 point, 5 sec. run away skill!

Wosh

ps. Guilty soul will still break detaunt making it a liability! And seeing how we are supposed to be a frontline healer when we melee spec, we are supposed to survive on the frontlines and that requires massrepent. This is why we got the AOE repent on 2 handed hammers from mythic back years ago when they figured this out!

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