Return of Reckoning

Novgoroth wrote: If so, i want the same thing for the slayer/choppa

Yes please
I have to drop rage relative often as a slayer, even with guard. I think an incoming healdebuff would be much better, then deffstats worse then of a light armor wearer.

Azarael wrote:Care to make an actual argument rather than "muh class, nerf slayers"? With the current Combustion handling, you're not a burst class because there's nothing to stop you from doing sustained DPS. Combustion was supposed to be that limiter, but it fails at its role.

Bad faith man, seriously ...

Slayer already have a flat drawback. Its percentage based taken means it scales with the game. The only issue with slayer is damage aoe damage out from stacking slayers.

Novgoroth wrote:Bad faith man, seriously ...

Sorry, but it was pretty much what you said. :/ You didn't go into any details about how a heal debuff as Combustion / Dark Magic would destroy the class, you only stated your opinion that it would and then spoke about Slayers.

Novgoroth wrote:than healdebuff that change completly the utility of the sorc/bw, and so the gameplay.

Can you please explain how a healdebuff would alter the utility/gameplay of the sorc/bw?

You realise that on max. combustion the healdebuff would be only 25% higher then the standard 50% healdebuff you get from the meleetrain?
If you don't get any attention from the enemy, you don't need any heals and wouldn't realise any healdebuff on you.
If you get massive damage you have to drop your combustion. Btw there would be always the possibility to spam scorched earth to lower your healdebuff without resetting your mechanic completely to zero.

The healdebuff would only reward smart players and punish no-brainers.

It's the same kind of problem for slayers, that's what i mean:
- when sorc are full comb, they have max backlash
- when slayers are full rage, they have low resistance
And we've here the 2 biggest dps, and you planed to nerf one of them with the 2nd penalty. That's why i spoke about the slayer =)

And about the sorc, you will loose 2/3 to 3/4 of your life for a complete sequence if all skills give you a backlash, and then you have to stop. So if you can only burst on one personn, and then have to calm down, you remove all interests about the class, that's my point of view. =)

Luth wrote:

Novgoroth wrote: If so, i want the same thing for the slayer/choppa

Yes please
I have to drop rage relative often as a slayer, even with guard. I think an incoming healdebuff would be much better, then deffstats worse then of a light armor wearer.

I forgot to mention, that the slayer/choppa have many abilitys that force them to drop their mechanic completely. BW/sorc has only one.

Luth wrote:Can you please explain how a healdebuff would alter the utility/gameplay of the sorc/bw?

Because you can't burst anymore, you have to reduce the DM/comb, wait the heals, etc ...
What about a WH just get out from stealth with debuff heal and stun ? Can't reduce DM/comb, and you're reduce by 75% while stun ... death assured

Luth wrote:

Luth wrote:

Novgoroth wrote: If so, i want the same thing for the slayer/choppa

Yes please
I have to drop rage relative often as a slayer, even with guard. I think an incoming healdebuff would be much better, then deffstats worse then of a light armor wearer.

I forgot to mention, that the slayer/choppa have many abilitys that force them to drop their mechanic completely. BW/sorc has only one.

Agree, but if they didn't you could be sure that slayer/choppa would stay full rage most of the time

And imo it would be a clear sign of fail game design.