Best performing aoe class

[lefze]

Cast time reduction to regain the old constant pressure. SW can't compete with LA as a 2 sec cast, but you can still press it down to close to 1 second.

Edit: And of course you still have the option to run CQ, but not needed with the right setup.

I know

I wrote about SL in the narrow space and SW in open space.
SW in open space 2nd DD after BW.
SL - 2nd DD in narrow space.

I may not be quite the right word, sorry, English is not my native language.

right setup.

And again, what is right setup ?

Should be obvious if you think about it, but as I said you can still get 1ish second cast time LA, go from there and figure it out ^^

[lastalien]

Should be obvious if you think about it, but as I said you can still get 1ish second cast time LA, go from there and figure it out ^^

I thought you have something else in mind. LA 1 sec after the nerf I've used.

[lefze]

Should be obvious if you think about it, but as I said you can still get 1ish second cast time LA, go from there and figure it out ^^

I thought you have something else in mind. LA 1 sec after the nerf I've used.

Nop, that's it. But what I'm referring to is 1 sec without using m2/cq, no idea if you tried that, but overall it should put SW ahead of anything but BW.

[lastalien]

Nop, that's it. But what I'm referring to is 1 sec without using m2/cq, no idea if you tried that, but overall it should put SW ahead of anything but BW.

I know about 0,25 s cast time reduce (w/o CQ and m2), but not 1s.

[lefze]

Nop, that's it. But what I'm referring to is 1 sec without using m2/cq, no idea if you tried that, but overall it should put SW ahead of anything but BW.

I know about 0,25 s cast time reduce (w/o CQ and m2), but not 1s.

Yah, the point here is that they stack. Which is awesome, but to really make use of it you need a dps runie and 2 good regular ones, which is why I said you need a very specific setup. It's not quite 1 seconds, but it's close enough to not notice the ,2s when you factor in lag etc.

[lastalien]

I know about 0,25 s cast time reduce (w/o CQ and m2), but not 1s.

Yah, the point here is that they stack. Which is awesome, but to really make use of it you need a dps runie and 2 good regular ones, which is why I said you need a very specific setup. It's not quite 1 seconds, but it's close enough to not notice the ,2s when you factor in lag etc.

It is ok, if you have your own party, but in WB more profitable 2 tanks, 2BW (or BW+SL), 2 Healers. Then 2 Tanks, 1SW, 1 DD RP, 2 Healers

[lefze]

I know about 0,25 s cast time reduce (w/o CQ and m2), but not 1s.

Yah, the point here is that they stack. Which is awesome, but to really make use of it you need a dps runie and 2 good regular ones, which is why I said you need a very specific setup. It's not quite 1 seconds, but it's close enough to not notice the ,2s when you factor in lag etc.

It is ok, if you have your own party, but in WB more profitable 2 tanks, 2BW (or BW+SL), 2 Healers. Then 2 Tanks, 1SW, 1 DD RP, 2 Healers

BW is definetly still better of course, but this thread was kinda about everything non-BW/sorc. At any rate, this was just to show that SW still has potential in the right setup. Now if you want runie for that 50% healdebuff, might aswell pair it up with an SW or run a 1-3-2 party for that consistent damage LA spam brings, especially when there is two of them. Now I still can't argue that it's better than slayer as I haven't played slayer, but before the fix SW sure was better, and this is as close as you are gonna get to consistently getting SW to perform as it did pre-fix. And the fact that SW has access to both M2 and M4 bomb makes them valuable anyways, especially if running moralepumps.

Edit: Added bonus to this is that you get 2 runies with mindblowing heals.

[Fallenkezef]

Slayer can be built several ways. For lazy pugging and contribution farming there is infinite wild swings. It's also a good build if you lag allot or gearing up.

The ID builds reward end game gear and a good group backing you up.

[lastalien]

BW is definetly still better of course, but this thread was kinda about everything non-BW/sorc. At any rate, this was just to show that SW still has potential in the right setup. Now if you want runie for that 50% healdebuff, might aswell pair it up with an SW or run a 1-3-2 party for that consistent damage LA spam brings, especially when there is two of them. Now I still can't argue that it's better than slayer as I haven't played slayer, but before the fix SW sure was better, and this is as close as you are gonna get to consistently getting SW to perform as it did pre-fix. And the fact that SW has access to both M2 and M4 bomb makes them valuable anyways, especially if running moralepumps.

Edit: Added bonus to this is that you get 2 runies with mindblowing heals.

Unfortunately SW was better before cut UF, if you just leave 1sec cast LA, then SL into tight spots better in AOE DPS.

[lefze]

BW is definetly still better of course, but this thread was kinda about everything non-BW/sorc. At any rate, this was just to show that SW still has potential in the right setup. Now if you want runie for that 50% healdebuff, might aswell pair it up with an SW or run a 1-3-2 party for that consistent damage LA spam brings, especially when there is two of them. Now I still can't argue that it's better than slayer as I haven't played slayer, but before the fix SW sure was better, and this is as close as you are gonna get to consistently getting SW to perform as it did pre-fix. And the fact that SW has access to both M2 and M4 bomb makes them valuable anyways, especially if running moralepumps.

Edit: Added bonus to this is that you get 2 runies with mindblowing heals.

Unfortunately SW was better before cut UF, if you just leave 1sec cast LA, then SL into tight spots better in AOE DPS.

Well, SW was completely broken with UF, and even after it was removed it performed too well. The nail in the coffin was the CQ fix, but as I have shown here you can still make it work at around the level it was before the fix. And while slayer potentially can put out more damage, as you say in tight spots, SW doesn't have that limitation. And there are a lot of tight spots where SW is gonna outperform slayer anyways, simply due to the fact that they have 65ft range. And again, there is also the whole morale aspect. Slayer can't assist on let's say a BH dump, SW can.

Edit: And LA+Barrage burst is nothing to scoff at, especially if you commit to the spec and take No respite.