Return of Reckoning

SilverWF wrote:

Druin wrote:Yeah bring back the live times, when you were standing in the zerg with WP spamming AoE heal and making 3 renown ranks in 30mins, while being absolutely useless.

Excuse me, but it never was like that, even at low lvls.
I can't agree, that AOE heal is absolutely useless.
And can't even imagine: how reducing RR gain for healing would change healer's gamestyle? They are still spamming AOE heal.

Healers are already punished enough (by overall game concept) - they would never be at the top of killchart, they are usually logging off with "-" in the K/D ratio etc.

WHy the hell would i care about my K/D ratio if I am healing. Are you complaining just for the sake of complaining now?

Bozzax wrote:I just think healers shoul get rewarded for healing, tanks for reducing damage, dps (even hybrids) for killing and grps wb should be there only for sharing (all gains, kills, heals, mit)

In the end that teaches ppl to play correctly.

I'm actually actively looking into this, stay tuned.

Good to hear!

on live it was sick, healers better stay off group (in scenarios for example) and get 10 times more renown then people in partys and heals shits. Im happy with this change here.
And im playing healer btw

Foltestik wrote:

Druin wrote:Yeah bring back the live times, when you were standing in the zerg with WP spamming AoE heal and making 3 renown ranks in 30mins, while being absolutely useless.

that was awsome, ideal was blocking people under oil a then aoe heal them ... easy renown farm


ahhh golden times

A dok/wp could aoe heal and gain renown by AOE channel healing out of party allies 3s every 13s. The yield was (heal)/100 from players that had kills.

Zele/RP was the real pro leechers using quick spam ST

Afaik most early RR80 doks /wps actually was dps specced not heal specced (Bruglir comes to mind).

SCs was a tad broken though mostly because you gained win/kill renown as well as out of party heal renown. Like I said easy fix to a quite reasonable system.

Bottom line dps even on WAR was quicker to rr80 / end game gear

Foltestik wrote:on live it was sick, healers better stay off group (in scenarios for example) and get 10 times more renown then people in partys and heals shits. Im happy with this change here.
And im playing healer btw

Not it wasn't 'sick". It was rewarding and stimulating to actually play healer, keep attention on surrounding allies, etc.
Playing alone still has a higher risks: noone can guard or buff you.

I have the same probleme i think: https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/10832

Zegota wrote:Out of group leeching was fixed long time ago. Now it promotes grouping up.

it promotes grouping up, but only with GOOD groups that can get kills. Any decent healer is going to stay far far away from pug warbands or pug anything for that matter. In the old system a good solo healer could tail a pug warband and get good renown hotting and keeping them up, but not anymore. The few times I saw good healers in pug warbands they where just afking for free RR and contribution lol.

Which is funny because what I do on my magus, and what a ton of other RDPS players do is the same thing but worse. We follow warbands/groups and steal their kills and use them as meatshields racking up tons of solo loot and RR. The playstyle is still there but only exists on RDPS now but instead of helping they are just a detriment and leech.

Jaycub wrote:Which is funny because what I do on my magus, and what a ton of other RDPS players do is the same thing but worse. We follow warbands/groups and steal their kills and use them as meatshields racking up tons of solo loot and RR. The playstyle is still there but only exists on RDPS now but instead of helping they are just a detriment and leech.

Not only rdps can do it: tank tailing zerg and challenging / holding the line can get crazy amount of contribution and renown in rvr

Just makes you wonder, does this "promote grouping" happens on DPS classes as well, by limiting their gains to an equal degree as healers, when they are solo?