Classes Order and Destro - Opinions - Not a Balance Thread

[ToXoS]

as a warhammer fan first, yes, destro as melee and order as rdps just feels right

there are exceptions, with dwarves being the hardest thing on legs (other than chosen, which, in lore, would just destroy every other class 23 v 1... except maybe slayers)

that's why it doesn't bother me, i think the overabundance of rdps on order is fine. this isn't just a pvp mmo to me, it's warhammer and i love it... i don't want orc ranged groups fighting elf berzerkers

sorry i didn't answer the full questions, it's the only real relevant point i had to make

I would not say 23v1, but yeah, the chosen would be pretty epic if the lore was respected. But I think the SM would be at the same level of OPness as the chosen.

possibly, "elf BS" is ever present in warhammer

the chosen just represents so much chaotic power culminated into one being, i can't see any melee beating them. except maybe giantslayers. or a really, really, really hard IB

If you wanna talk about chaos power, there is still things much more powerful, that's just a chosen. After that, there is the Chaos champion, the Chaos lord, and the Daemon prince. Don't even need to talk about greater daemons or dragon-ogres...
And that's just about Chaos, the warhammer world is filled with powerful beings

Also, Abhorash can 1v1 any chosen or chaos champion one-handed.

[tazdingo]

I would not say 23v1, but yeah, the chosen would be pretty epic if the lore was respected. But I think the SM would be at the same level of OPness as the chosen.

possibly, "elf BS" is ever present in warhammer

the chosen just represents so much chaotic power culminated into one being, i can't see any melee beating them. except maybe giantslayers. or a really, really, really hard IB

If you wanna talk about chaos power, there is still things much more powerful, that's just a chosen. After that, there is the Chaos champion, the Chaos lord, and the Daemon prince. Don't even need to talk about greater daemons or dragon-ogres...
And that's just about Chaos, the warhammer world is filled with powerful beings

Also, Abhorash can 1v1 any chosen or chaos champion one-handed.

well yeah vamps wreck everything, probably even shaggoths, i think that's why the writers use them so sparingly, but we can't really talk one offs. grimgor was a genetic freak on par with the everchosen, but the average black orc still loses hard to an average chosen. this coming from a greenskin fanboy

but on that note i'm glad that SHs, unarguably the weakest class lore wise, have found themselves top op the pile in ROR

[Aurandilaz]

From what I've understood from the lore, "skilled" magical casters like Sorceress or Archmage could also pretty much wreck anything. Would have cool if Sorc and AM had been mirrors of each other.
Swordmasters are OP in lore, same with Chosen and Chaos Magi. Humans tend to be pretty weak on average, same with brainless Greenskin.

[ToXoS]

From what I've understood from the lore, "skilled" magical casters like Sorceress or Archmage could also pretty much wreck anything. Would have cool if Sorc and AM had been mirrors of each other.
Swordmasters are OP in lore, same with Chosen and Chaos Magi. Humans tend to be pretty weak on average, same with brainless Greenskin.

From a lore perspective, Sorc and AM can't be mirrors, their magics is way too different.
Dhar is the most destructive kind of magic, and Druchii use the True Dhar, which is even more powerful.
On the other way, High magic can be use to both heal, buff up and destroy things too, but not on the same level as dark magic.
Because high magic can do all these things, the lore says that this is the most powerful magic of all.

Bright magic sure is powerful and risky, and in that way mirroring the BW to the sorc was smart, but sorc are waaaaay more dangerous. At least the druchii ones, who master dark magic. Generally speaking, humans that try dark magic don't live long enough to enjoy it.

[peterthepan3]

Dps wp, magus and bg.

I like underdog classes and prefer aesthetic. Also love dark elf lore.

[Elftwin95]

1. What classes do you really like, lets go with 3.
Shadow Warrior
White Lion
Archmage

2. What about the class do you like?

For the SW I really enjoy the maneuverability and utility of the career. As well as the bows..(real life Flatbow Archer here)
The look of the White Lion is really amazing and to stride into battle with a great ivory lion by your side must be fun
the Archmage's heals and mending have saved me in battles beyond counting, what is not to like?

3. What about the class do you dislike?
As for the SW I dislike it's squishiness and I feel like for me it have taken a very long time to improve and get used to how this career works, to get the most out of it.
I also find the WL to be a bit hard for me in regards to positioning and controlling the pet with fluidity.
As with the AM I do not really play it that much, so I do not really have a strong dislike or like for it.

4. How do you feel the most useful in a scenario.
This is quit a big one, but I feel like when I can offer support for my teammate I think that is where I feel the most useful.

[Yardy]

1. What classes do you really like, lets go with 3.
Black Orc, Shaman, Squig Herder

2. What about the class do you like?
Black Orc: He looks badass! He makes alot of noise, great emotes and hits fairly hard as a tank. the rotation is fun

Shaman: Looks funny as! The Emotes are great! The little cheeky guy can kite and heal! Oh and Gork says Stop is so entertaining!!

Squig Herder: It's a goblin! Fun as! and this cheeky bloke has a pet to stir the pot with!

3. What about the class do you dislike?
Black orc: even specced up the tank tree this bloke will go down before the other tanks. Forever under cc, Juggernaut is always on cooldown. Losing a tactic slot to run AOE snare sux, The knockdown 'feels' more useful and i can run another tactic.

Shaman: ms over 340, means you are late to heal or late to run......and you can be blown up in a second

Squig Herder: The outright fear of the WL.....no detaunt can save you here

4. How do you feel the most useful in a scenario.

Black Orc: running the knockdown 'feels' more useful over the snare and it gives me room to run another damage dealing tactic. (orcs have a few so why not use em!) and speccing up dps to put pressure on healers with a MDPS your guarding is great!

Shaman: Putting out heals keeping the group from falling!

Squig herder: Spraying damage while keeping outta sight


5. Why do you think order generally has more rdps vs destro mdps.

I think because range KD on 2 dps ranged classes is crazy good!! along with the pop damage to follow, I would love to do a 4k crit who wouldn't! also Guns sound great on the engi, who also has a barrel of grog to keep happy.

[Arteker616]

1. What classes do you really like, lets go with 3.
2. What about the class do you like?
3. What about the class do you dislike?
4. How do you feel the most useful in a scenario.


1: black orc , Choppa ,ironbreaker
2:
Black orc: orcs appeal me and they are one of the reasons i got hooked into warhammer universe in the very early 90s .Alot of his abilitys are very fun to play (miss the friendly punt ), nothing like kill a order character with right in da jibbs.

Choppa: the prototype of the classic orc in fantasy , crazed as hell and if uncheked able to do alot of dmg .

Ironbreaker: along the clasic orcs dwarfs in warhammer set it aside most games and other universes .Ironbreakers were always the thoughest of the dorf warriors. and i do think its well presented in the game .
3:

Black orc: as someone who played them pre 1,2 and now plays ror i think the class got geatly gutted to what it was when released . either u forced to be dmg dealer or snare bot because most of their buffs are useles ( 3 armour buffs wich no stacks ).Aswell probably the weakest of the 2hs tanks in my opinion .

Ironbreaker: realiance in tactic and oathfriend to generate grudges . it can get very frustrating .

Choppa : not gonna bich about the rage mechanic i think its fair ,But choppa always lacked a good aoe three compared to slayer , git to da choppa was once k his dmg was way higher but it got seriously nerfed to the point u can do more dmg with other aoe abilitys . aswell the lost of the cannot stop da chop armour debuff was a heavy blow to choppa forcing him to stack alot of weaponskill to be efective at the cost of hampering his survival stats

4.Trying to play as much as i can as a team mate for my mates , not playing the solo hero . often trying to put some calm into the destru instic of camp em to the wc symdrome and focus in objetives .


5:In a game where playing as mdps is a hell wich need heavy team work to make them shine is easy to just say **** it , and roll a rdps over a mdps .they allow a more flexible play and reliance in classic guard , heals wich mdps need heavy.
Order ranged dps has more versatility than destru ones , aswell in most cases straigh superiority , bw cauterize,Flashfire tactic (disrupt ? eat fireball $%$%), ranged kds etc . that is a hugue bonus for people in order so i do think is natural they play alot of rangeds .

[anarchypark]

1. What classes do you really like, lets go with 3.
Swordmaster, Warrior Priest, Shadow Warrior

2. What about the class do you like?
2h high parry, 2h hammer, range + melee

3. What about the class do you dislike?
not much. SW - wrong stance by misclick or misjudge means rdps in melee fight, mdps in range fight.

4. How do you feel the most useful in a scenario.
running & capturing objectives. healing tanks.

5. it's more like why I don't play tank/heal in SC.
tank/heal are supporters. when you support dumbs, it felt like becoming dumber.
50% order dps seems to play for scoreboard numbers.
what's the point of 100k dmg when SC ends in 500-80.
always pick closest targets which are mostly tanks. alway rdy to run even b4 fights begin.
squishy dps die in 5 sec then blame healers.
after having enough, you become 1 of selfish rdps too.

besides whining, ppl still farming orvr gears. they might back to SC after gear farm.
i also might back to tank when i have overlord set.

[Vilhelmina]

...Also if youre a warhammer buff the lore breaking classes are rdps for des and mdps for order.

WUT!? There's nothing lore-breaking about Order MDPS.

Slayers = Check!
IronBreakers = Check!
Witch Hunters = Check!
Warrior Priests = Check!
KotBS = Check! But not available now
Swordmasters = Check!
White Lions = Check!