Cimba wrote:neokingdom wrote:Riiiiiight, except infernal gift doesnt hold up too much to other tactics you get. And yes sorc melee disarm is something BW dont have, i forgot about that (actually thought they did have it). And i'm completely fine with mirrors having different abilities that the other doesn't as long as the other has an ability with the same value. My argument is that that is simply just not the case with the BW Sorc mirror.
Infernal Gift is perfectly fine. It's just that every sorc seems to think that they need to be the star player of the grp. In this context the tactic obviously doesn't fit in because it does nothing for her.
neokingdom wrote:
We could say okay BW has a knockdown, but Sorc has a disarm, now even though I think an instant KD is objectively better than a casted disarm, one could argue that the sorc's disarm holds the same value as the KD. But how do you make that argument with the other abilities I listed? Especially the cleanse, wtf that has so much defensive value, what do sorcs have with the same value as a cleanse, that BW's dont have??
The knockdown requires Ignite to be applied. So while it's technically instant you still need at least two GCDs to get it through.
The value of the cleanse highly depends on your opponents but I would agree that it is one of the stronger defensive abilities in the game overall.
Aside from that your list is quite incomplete for both sides but writing it all down would take ages.
But you're ALWAYS gonna have ignite applied... it's the first thing you do, so it's gonna be instant all the time unless you're trying to knock someone down immediately when you see them, so that point is kind of invalid.
Please do list the others, it honestly wont take much time. I really wanna know what else there is. It's basically a fact that BW's have more utility.
The whole idea is that BWs have more utility, sorcs have more direct damage, that's not some secret, that's the mindset when they were being balanced. The point is, when damage is so high on both of them, the increased damage sorcs have makes no difference, so when looking at the two classes it comes down to their utility, which BWs have way more than Sorcs.
Like i said, that isnt some disputed opinion, it's literally how the class was made when they were balancing. However, as any WaR fans know, the original developers were a bit naive when doing that.
Arguing that Sorcs have just as much utility as a BW is a moot argument, it's not true. I want someone to try to convince me that just because BW's have more utility sorcs make up for it somehow.
Also, about the infernal gift thing. You're saying every sorc wants to be the star of the show... a sorcs job is to nuke people down as fast as they can, they don't have any other job to do. So giving up a crucial tactic that limits your effectiveness to do said job makes no sense at all. If you're a tank, healer, wp, or dok then yeah you shouldn't try to be "the star player" as you say of your group, you're meant to help others like mdps or rdps kill people. They're not hogging the limelight, they're filling their role.
