Return of Reckoning

Chaoself wrote: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=kot ... :;;0:0:0:0:

That is not even good, check this out hehe:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=kot ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

So that makes ShatterConfidence nearly useless, to those who cant see.

As Shaman main DC is just 1 of many things thats troublesome. Its far from the worst one imo. And Engie changes just added another one as they can aply Debuffs that Shamans can't cleanse from close to maximum healing Range. So current hard counters to Shaman atm are: WH, Cant kite Stealthers just hope that he doesn't get a strain of crits. WL, cant kite Pounce, Fetch and Burst dmg pretty much 3 shots us. SW, ranged knockdown. Engies dots that can't be cleansed wich we can't outrange. BW, can't cleanse. Kotbs 3+ interupts + Destroy Confidence. Combine all these factors with extreme slow casting heals and really bad defensive tools. And you got a disaster of ballance. Would DC help? Probobly a tiny bit. But its just a small small peice of the whole cookie.

. Forgot this was the balance forums

Stick to discussing DC guys.

Its obvious that Kobs/Chosen need a little "nerf" and starting with DC is a good deal but pls let me add this: on live you had to keep your eyes on your buffs, you had to keep changing your buffs now at ror you dont need to change your buffs ( the only mechanic for Kobs/Chosen) you just need to stack all of them you switch guard when need it, in my humble opinion this is not fair with the other tanks like lets say BO you need change your plans all the time so you can use a particular skill and that's the same for the other tanks like SM/IB/BG.

Destroy Confidence is crazy good. I wouldn't be opposed to it's removal. Dropping 3 enchantments every 5s dealing damage for each one removed is cra-cra. The standard Shatter works well enough imo.

I don't think you have the ability to enact this, but maybe keep the Tactic, but increase the CD to 20sec? If you want to drop 3enchantments at a go, you have to be more precise about your usage of the ability...

Dabbart wrote:
I don't think you have the ability to enact this, but maybe keep the Tactic, but increase the CD to 20sec?

still too good

Well, I am always in favor of Incremental changes, and increasing them as needed, instead of starting with a massive brush and working down. But that's me. Knights have a Plethora of Tactics that are all very powerful. Removing this will help Shamans, but it isn't an entire "nerf" to knights imo.

Azarael wrote:KotBS triple enchantment shatter:

- Does it serve any purpose other than directly countering a class which does not need countering (Shaman)?
- If not, then why should it be permitted to exist?

Why does any kob take this? Its maybe 6th or 7th in line after triple snare, superpunt, crit1, crit2 +15% heal, runefang, rugged, in that order. Thats just off the top of my head theres probably something else in there more useful than triple shatter.

Ninepaces wrote:

Azarael wrote:KotBS triple enchantment shatter:

- Does it serve any purpose other than directly countering a class which does not need countering (Shaman)?
- If not, then why should it be permitted to exist?

Why does any kob take this? Its maybe 6th or 7th in line after triple snare, superpunt, crit1, crit2 +15% heal, runefang, rugged, in that order. Thats just off the top of my head theres probably something else in there more useful than triple shatter.

It's mostly just for 6v6 SC/oRVR fights- essentially the one place Shamans were not wanted.