Return of Reckoning

Arteker616 wrote:

yet i challange anyone to tell me something WoW pionered in the genre of mmos when was launched . outside making the game dumber and easier for players .

the most competitive 2v2/3v3 PvP of any MMO/MOBA i've ever played?

Haven't read any posts here except the OP. Just wanted to say that 5 years later, WAR was still unfinished so... yeah.

peterthepan3 wrote:

Arteker616 wrote:

yet i challange anyone to tell me something WoW pionered in the genre of mmos when was launched . outside making the game dumber and easier for players .

the most competitive 2v2/3v3 PvP of any MMO/MOBA i've ever played?

your definition of competitive doesnt equal to pioneer in the genre of mmos . thus not relevant .
my point remains what did wow pionered upon release .

that if i recall 2v2 -/3v3 where not even introduced untill later expansions . while even everquest 2 had it upon release upon joining the rallos zek trials

Arteker616 wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:

Arteker616 wrote:

yet i challange anyone to tell me something WoW pionered in the genre of mmos when was launched . outside making the game dumber and easier for players .

the most competitive 2v2/3v3 PvP of any MMO/MOBA i've ever played?

your definition of competitive doesnt equal to pioneer in the genre of mmos . thus not relevant .
my point remains what did wow pionered upon release .

that if i recall 2v2 -/3v3 where not even introduced untill later expansions . while even everquest 2 had it upon release upon joining the rallos zek trials

It pioneered an easily accessible-to-all game that incorporated elements of PvP, PvE, Roleplay and - above all - a social hub for people to make friends in. The developers were constantly talking with the playerbase and making changes - even small ones, such as the introduction of pets for younger players. Not so much pioneering but it makes a difference and is why the game is still around.

What has WAR pioneered? Or any current MMO? It all boils down to the oldies.

To be fair... war pioneered a number of things that are essential in today's MMOs. PQs is definitely one of those things that Rift and later GW2 copied and made better.

Not sure if it pioneered dual targetting (friendly and enemy targets) but it definitely is the first I've seen in an MMO at the time. Tried to come to WoW and heal in bgs after playing warhammer and it was tough without it.

For some reason my mind is blank at the other things it did... maybe I'll remember them later.

That much is true.

MUD's that was the real pvp

think they where first with achivements and guild perks

peterthepan3 wrote:derp

Well, aside from PQs war also pioneered the pvp/dungeon queues. Wow took that from war.

The BG thing? True.