Return of Reckoning

2h chosen can't dps while a 2h bo can therefore not much use in going 2h as a chosen given the primary incentive to do so is extra deeps

Can Chosen achieve the same DPS a BO can? No. That is irrelevant. The Chosen can do his job when twohanding, read guarding. The BO can't and therefor that's all that matters.

I know you have a soft spot for that 2H BO but don't let that cloud your judgement

wulfgard07 wrote:Some observations I have.

I am a sword n board Chosen. The other day a Black Orc 2 hander asked me to /duel him in the city so he could decide what axe to use, and beat the crap out of me for about 30 minutes of repeated /duels. My tank setup is very cookie cutter, and with a healer i pretty much feel immortal. Without a healer i can I can stay alive through more punishment than a Mel Gibson movie. Its very hard to kill me. And make no mistake, I am NOT even close to the tankiest tank. There are several tanks in the game that cannot be killed by friggin fire clowns on LSD.

This Black Orc that was testing his two handed axe ripped me to pieces in seconds.

I guess the moral of the story is, if you take what a 2handed Blorc can do seriously, you will be very very scary. I recommend trolling the forums for specific names. To learn how to be a Chosen tank, I read whatever Tesq, Viskag/Sulfuras write and try to do it that way. Pretty sure there is a Black Orc zen master somewhere in these forums. Wish I could tell you who beat the crap out of me.

Megaladonis is a great 2h BO. Maybe he can add some value.

Shadowgurke wrote:2H BO can't guard, 2H Chosen can. There really isn't anything more to add to this

Shadow, I agree 100%. That is a nice summary of my long winded posts LOL. If you wanna 2H BO, then part of me feels like you should just roll a Mara LOL!

Chosen are awesome 2H Tanks IMO. Also come T4 their SnB is best in the game with Destined pumping out M4s all day long.

With 2H you hit hard with Rending Blade and Ravage via spirit damage. Undefendable Rending Blade too, combined with Crip strikes and High Crit. While damage isnt as high, the utility is through the roof AND... Stuff melts when I guard a MDPS and /assist him.

I wish I could clone myself and have my chosen guard my Mara Would be lights out!

Shadowgurke wrote:Can Chosen achieve the same DPS a BO can? No. That is irrelevant. The Chosen can do his job when twohanding, read guarding. The BO can't and therefor that's all that matters.

I know you have a soft spot for that 2H BO but don't let that cloud your judgement

If you're going for aesthetics, then by all means go 2h chosen. they can tank well even in 2h, indeed.

nydig wrote:Actually there was 3 vids made and only the last 1 was at rr100 the other 2 i believe were before the rr100 patch even came out but yes i agree chosen is better but again for just a dmg stand point bo is better.

Back then Best plan scale better and Can't YOu hear me now tactic do more dmg.
Also he is using broken 2h weapon from city instances.

wulfgard07 wrote:Some observations I have.

I am a sword n board Chosen. The other day a Black Orc 2 hander asked me to /duel him in the city so he could decide what axe to use, and beat the crap out of me for about 30 minutes of repeated /duels. My tank setup is very cookie cutter, and with a healer i pretty much feel immortal. Without a healer i can I can stay alive through more punishment than a Mel Gibson movie. Its very hard to kill me. And make no mistake, I am NOT even close to the tankiest tank. There are several tanks in the game that cannot be killed by friggin fire clowns on LSD.

This Black Orc that was testing his two handed axe ripped me to pieces in seconds.

So what is your parry rating? With the right tactic and setup, you will get to 80% core( 90%++ with weaponskill) Unless the BO get behind you, there is no way he can get you down within second. 40~60sec maybe with the right gear and setup.(Full DPS)
Survive in sc is total different things from dueling a mdps.
You can have zero block and parry and still survive well in sc since a s/b tank running 700++ toughness+cap armor and resistance is not priority 1 target for anyone.

I always laugh when someone compares RoR toons to rr100 toons ;p

you can barely compare any time from Warhammer Online's History to RoR

2h chosen can pump out dps in t4 due to power of the gods and touch of palsy. But I dont think their single target can compare to BO right now. Ravage got the nerf bat long time ago.

As a long time chosen player I think 2h chosen is the best 2h tank mostly due to suppression. Helps mitigate all the guards damage allowing you to stay in longer and Ravage away

At one point Chosen did same dps as BW's.
But after ressist debuff and ravage nerf they are probobly on pair with the other tanks.
Havn't tried the build since 2010 so dunno. But i bet they can still put out some damage.

Uncleanbus wrote:2h chosen can pump out dps in t4 due to power of the gods and touch of palsy. But I dont think their single target can compare to BO right now. Ravage got the nerf bat long time ago.

As a long time chosen player I think 2h chosen is the best 2h tank mostly due to suppression. Helps mitigate all the guards damage allowing you to stay in longer and Ravage away

Completely agree and its why I think that for group play Chosen are really the only ones who should be running 2h. I know the 2h BO can be a fun class to play, I know they can do good damage, force healers to detaunt, etc etc. They are great for PUG vs PUG matches because frankly noone ever focuses a tank. So that 2H BO is probably safe rushing in, face smacking some caster/healer and doing good damage and thinking they are pro getting high damage but then wondering why they are still losing and blaming his allies.

When in reality what that 2H BO doesnt realize is that he is sucking up time from the healers who now have to heal him, and also that healer now has to spam BIG heals on the MDPS or RDPS who are getting focused.

After playing both RDPS (lvl 35 BW and a lvl 23 Sorc) and playing healers (in tier 2) ive realized how crucial guard is in that its SOOO much easier to HoT up two people, and casually cast big heals on the one tanking damage, than it is to spam heal. That guarded DPS class, is not just 2x easier to keep up (if guard is eating 50% of the damage) its literally probably more like 4x easier to keep up. Because those small heal ticks help SO much more than when they are not guarded.

So a 2H BO might think they are leet deeps, helpin the group, shreddin dem healerz bruh! But its really cuasing a negative impact on the group and unless they happen to be part of a stacked melee train or having excess healers to keep everyone up, frankly they are actually a NEGATIVE to the group.

Contrast that to a well built 2h Chosen, who can easily have 50%+ parry from Surpression, who spams wounds debuff + rending blade that is proccing Crip Strikes on everyone of the enemy, further reducing their damage 25%, who has a MDPS class guarded and is /assisting. A 2h BO cant do that, even tho the BO does more damage... He is many times over squishier than the Chosen.

THAT type of Chosen is invaluable to the group and while you can argue SnB is better for more tankiness which is true, I dont think anyone can honestly say that a 2H Chosen who is specced TANK, doesnt add tremendous value to the group. Maybe not "Ideal Meta" for a 6v6 but definitely a HUGE asset in any 12v12 game or WB.

To me, its frankly no contest who the better 2h tank is... And its because of the larger picture of how you interact with the group. So yeah, youll lose some damage over a BO, but the impact is night and day difference on how much you help.

tbh if you go 2h BO you either go parrytard, or you go pure DPS and have someone guard you =D