Return of Reckoning

DefinitelyNotWingz wrote:

gungnir08 wrote:

DefinitelyNotWingz wrote:
When you realise you are a pug just stop being a pug and get into a premade instead, best advice you will ever get to step up your game.
Srsly you guys are missing a lot of fun.

Yep, there's nothing like curbstomping pugs who lack the initiative to group up to curbstomp pugs.

I know not all premades group up to do that, but you have to admit it's like 75% of what they end up doing. At least for us NA players, it seems that way.

75% (your number) it is a stomp no matter if premade vs premade, pug vs premade or pug vs pug here in EU prime time.
If we had more premades though fights would last longer and be more challenging in general which can be considered a good thing. Also nobody will learn decent grp play without being in a premade.

Meh, my qualifying the 75% number with a preemptive "like" was meant to indicate I was exaggerating.

As for your other point, I disagree only because (as a pug-only queuer during NA) I never get straight pug vs. pug matches. Otherwise, I agree that the vast majority of matches are lopsided, since seemingly every match I'm in has a premade on one side or the other.

As for learning group play, that doesn't really bother me. If I pugged DPS, which is a fate worse than death if you like winning, I would probably agree with you there as well though. As a healer, if I die, it was probably my own fault to begin with.

You can learn how not to play like an idiot without being in a premade, though. Actually, it seems to me that opting not to learn to function on your own would be a deterrent to learning skilled play, but perhaps I'm just looking at it from the wrong perspective. That's actually likely, since I'm extremely anti-premade, and my bias is unquestionable.

gungnir08 wrote:(as a pug-only queuer during NA) I never get straight pug vs. pug matches.

Most of the NA scenarios I get now are pug vs pug. Seems like there are not a lot of premades on anymore during NA times... used to be more.

magter3001 wrote:

gungnir08 wrote:(as a pug-only queuer during NA) I never get straight pug vs. pug matches.

Most of the NA scenarios I get now are pug vs pug. Seems like there are not a lot of premades on anymore during NA times... used to be more.

I must be extremely unlucky, then. I haven't played much this week, but I doubt that much could have changed so quickly.

Could be that I'm just wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

It's a good try but first it's better to learn the game of WAR and then go around giving people advice.

I'm applying my perspective from other games to this one, most of what I said is valid.
Yes there are WAR specific things I'll need to adjust to.
This discussion, plus game play are aiding me in that, in addition, other less experienced WAR players benefit from the conversation.
AND I am networking for guild recruitment and hopefully alliance negotiation.

I'm not a know it all, the conversation is ALWAYS the goal.

mdillard wrote:
I'm not a know it all, the conversation is ALWAYS the goal.

Don't just edit Zabis advice in. While everything in WAR is contextual, your order of execution is totally absurd. Going for the healers first neither adviseable nor really possible in most cases. Focusing tanks is even less of an option, unless we talk about the 2h squishy tanks.

What I personally dislike about your Battlegrounds 101 is not that you start a conversation, you state things as if they are facts. You can't take what you learned in a different game and just copy it 1 to 1 to warhammer - this becomes especially bad if you write a pseudo guide

Shadowgurke wrote:

mdillard wrote:
I'm applying my perspective from other games to this one, most of what I said is valid.

You can't take what you learned in a different game and just copy it 1 to 1 to warhammer - this becomes especially bad if you write a pseudo guide

Pretty much this. WAR is way different than other MMOs. You can't compare WoW PvP with WAR PvP as they have completely different abilities and strategies.

Going for the healers first neither adviseable nor really possible in most cases....

Seriously?
You're stating an absurdity as fact right there...
That's the last snack you get from me troll.

Pretty much this. WAR is way different than other MMOs. You can't compare WoW PvP with WAR PvP as they have completely different abilities and strategies.

And we see how that worked out for them right?
I like this a HELL of a lot better than wow, I despise the community in wow.

This is different, but it isn't night and day different.
The character skills and stats are night and day different, the general gameplay is pretty similar though.

mdillard wrote:Going for the healers first neither adviseable nor really possible in most cases....

Seriously?
You're stating an absurdity as fact right there...
That's the last snack you get from me troll.

From my experience it's usually quite difficult to drop healers. Particularly in PUGs where it's difficult to focus. I play SW and I don't have the burst to take out a healer, unless he's not paying attention and I can get a knock down coupled with M2.

What I do is pick a squishy target to try and burst. If that doesn't work and he starts getting heals I'll rotate onto something else.

And I thought that was generally the done thing. You focus on the healer *only* he's just going to get guarded and detaunt you. And then at that point you're banging your head against a wall. That's sort of what I like about WAR. You have to mix things up and make life difficult for their healers by switching targets, forcing their tanks too to change their guard.

mdillard wrote:I'm not a know it all, the conversation is ALWAYS the goal.

mdillard wrote:Seriously?
You're stating an absurdity as fact right there...
That's the last snack you get from me troll.

Oh the internet, where people claim to want conversations and at the first sight of them being wrong they start calling people trolls.