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Gachimuchi
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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#21 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:59 am

magicthighs wrote:
No, often people are told to not even dismount when that happens. Because it's not a challenge.
I have never seen this conduct from a zerg. As much as I would enjoy having a bit of 'honor' in this game I've grown to expect the worst from people and play accordingly: fight dirtier than the opposition in ORvR. That and the game isn't balanced around 1v1 so playing anything other than a good solo class and soloing the lakes running into other people playing good solo classes seems like a raw deal so I usually gank with a group. Sometimes we get ganked by an even bigger group. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent.

Having debolster is great for people who want the appearance now since you can't buy them. Not that its that important for looks anyway since T4 is (probably) around the corner.
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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#22 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:33 am

Mixing PVE and PVP isn't really the best of ideas.
The lair ones i have nothing against since it can instigate fighting over somethng. And thats something even the current oRVR system struggles with.
However i don't like that the PVP takes place inside the lair. The gankers just have a massive advantage in those situations. Fighting outside for acess to it is a better sollution. And the original lair mechanics did this.
But noone really gonna care about these drops once t4 gear is around unless DEVS have some really exclusive skins planned.
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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#23 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:07 am

Dabbart wrote:And yet they are having fun... I used to love Griefing. In all sorts of games. I'm sure that I would still get a kick out of it, and even think about organizing debolster invasions of low level tiers to snipe anyone RvR flagged from SCs. But I don't, cause A, I don't have a large enough group of like-minded people; B, would prefer to just fight.
The thing is you admit you love griefing, and later on you try to attract the readers sympathy with things like "who wouldn't smile when you crush some lowbies" or sth like that making it sound as the typical ocasional chance encounter.

Don't twist things. You have already shown you are brave enough to admit it. Don't back from your statement. Afaik griefing is not bumping into some undergeared lowbies and smiling a little after you finish them. Griefing is purposely and repeatedly harassing people who cannot fight back. You quoted the lack of an organized group of likeminded people as one of the reasons you aren't griefing. And I'll tell you more. As someone else has pointed out in this same post, griefing is not equivalent to ganking. In this game you go in a group because you have better chances. Heck you can even select lowbies and easy targets because renown is easier this way. Griefing is focusing another individual and getting a kick out of their frustration and failure to deal with your attacks.

Please don't talk about this is a pvp game. I have known a lot of really competitive people in this game, skilled and well-geared players who were absolutely ruthless in the pursuit of their goals. Only their goals somehow never included premeditated and organized expeditions in order to make helpless people feel the whole dimension of their helplessness. If easy targets came their way, they reaped renown and went on their way in search of some meaningful, challenging fight.

About the Columbine comparison: A game is not real life. If you kill someone in a game you dont actually kill that person.OK. There is a big difference in the consequences of your acts. But the motivation, the reason why you behave like you do, the things you get a kick from, those have the same origin in both games and real life. The way someone behaves in a game tells a lot about their personality or lack thereof, their unconscious needs, their moral constrictions, etc.
The fact that you say you enjoy griefing says a lot about you.

One is negative, but that is your own problem and you'll have to learn how to first acknowledge it and then how to deal with it.
The other one is positive: you have the courage to admit something that some of us (maybe only a few of us) utterly despise and outright pity. You might go on about how you are not alone in this, most players feel the same etc. It doesn't matter if you are the exception or the rule. Pathetic will always be pathetic, and in my book scrub is not the worst thing to be in this game. Griefer is, because it reflects something far more pitiable in real life than a mere lack of psychokinetic skills.

I only wish you hadn't tried to explain/justify/minimize your statement. It detracts a lot from the courage of it.

If I don't answer to any replies to my post don't infer from that that I have no arguments to offer. It will just be that even though I write in the second person I'm not actually addressing the guy I quote but only expressing my view for those who can understand it. I'm not interested in bandying angry replies and I don't realistically expect people who enjoy griefing to understand any argument based on honor and empathy.

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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#24 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:41 pm

roadkillrobin wrote:Mixing PVE and PVP isn't really the best of ideas.
The lair ones i have nothing against since it can instigate fighting over somethng. And thats something even the current oRVR system struggles with.
However i don't like that the PVP takes place inside the lair. The gankers just have a massive advantage in those situations. Fighting outside for acess to it is a better sollution. And the original lair mechanics did this.
But noone really gonna care about these drops once t4 gear is around unless DEVS have some really exclusive skins planned.
but is it. Played on ORVR Eltharion server since preorder. And most fun part was in t1-t2, where no safe place except warcamps.
and yes, contested pqs was funniest thing here.
gankers and highranks from tier above teach you to team up. And there was no easymode bolster for it, but better reward for killing high ranks. But now people qq about instance for vanity items. Pretty sad.

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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#25 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:53 pm

Honestly, this thread can be summarized as "someone died in RvR". As i said, T1 lairs are in the RvR lakes after all...

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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#26 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:09 pm

Lair drops are not guaranted becouse someone is w8ting there for x time. If another grp shows there you need to fight for it, no matter if they ll be lowbies or debolster premaid. Everyone has equal rights in this. You got stomped? Happens, go again/get better grp/w8 and come back debolstered. You will be actually using this gear in t1 for few h anyway, till you lvl up and get better gear. Its only for apperance in long shot, and i understand ppl that are going lower tier if they want to have it.
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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#27 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:18 pm

Dabbart wrote: Awesome! Sounds like you run with a well organized and respectful crew. Of which, I am glad to say there seems to be a bunch of on this server. However no one can argue that ganking isn't a well established and highly practiced modus operandi. And question, What is your thoughts on invasion of LoTD? Honest inquery. At what point do you think ganking/griefing ends and intended gameplay begins? Or are you just directly against unfair based combat? I can understand that. Unchallenging games tend to get shelved pretty damned quick.

I'm curious though. Other than "twinked" based combat or lairs, what other purpose for debolster is there? I guess for tier rewards, or fighting in a lower tier so you don't get smashed by the high geared/RRd t3 pop. But that might fall under the "twinked" portion.

I still fail to see the issue with a group of lvl 8-10's getting rolled while attempting lairs. Currently 15 is the cap for t1, but even if it was 11, and without debolster, a somewhat organize crew of 11's would take them, and then the loot. The lair is in the PvP zone. Is this not what is supposed to happen?
I loved LotD instance invasions. Just a few weeks ago I had a lot of fun when some destro players came to the BFP hero lair and attacked me and the other people waiting there. I have nothing against that, and I think it's a fun part of the game. I just think it's pretty lame when a debolstered group of people come to a t1 lair and kill the lowbies that are waiting, and then laugh at them.

I think debolster will be just fine once the tier brackets are back to normal (1-11 instead of 1-13, etc). Then the lvl 8-9 lowbies would stand a better chance against a debolstered group.
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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#28 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:21 pm

Gachimuchi wrote:I have never seen this conduct from a zerg. As much as I would enjoy having a bit of 'honor' in this game I've grown to expect the worst from people and play accordingly: fight dirtier than the opposition in ORvR..
While i often spared people just because it would be no fun to kill them i also cant help but laugh at people who talk about honor and all that bullshit in a rvr game.

Its not about honor, its just that is no fun to kill people who has no chance, however if they have a chance, you can bet that i will try to make it so you dont have any chance anymore.

Because imo, thats what being competitive is all about. Some people call it playing dirty, some people dont but at the end of the day, if its not punishable, then is tactic in my book.

And of course if i want the lair drops for my group and you are competing for them with me, you better be 35, geared and ready, if people let lowbies kill them to spare their feelings, people would just make lowbies to farm the lairs.
Magicthigs wrote:just think it's pretty lame when a debolstered group of people come to a t1 lair and kill the lowbies that are waiting, and then laugh at them.
There is nothing whatsoever about this on the op, from where did you get this from? The laughing at them part.

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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#29 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:29 pm

There was a lot of honor on live, but it was mostly between solo players.

If you ran solo and saw a 1v1, you usually didn't interfere. If you were with your 6-man and ran into a known soloer, your group usually let him go (with /eat, /drink and other friendly emotes). Stuff like that. Hopefully we will see more of that when T4 is released (and we have larger maps which are friendlier for soloers).

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Re: Waiting for nothing?

Post#30 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:36 pm

Penril wrote:There was a lot of honor on live, but it was mostly between solo players.

If you ran solo and saw a 1v1, you usually didn't interfere. If you were with your 6-man and ran into a known soloer, your group usually let him go (with /eat, /drink and other friendly emotes). Stuff like that. Hopefully we will see more of that when T4 is released (and we have larger maps which are friendlier for soloers).
None of those things are because of honor in my book, specially when you only do if you know them already, but hey, to each his own.

Because really, when you let you little cousin beat you in some stupid game, you call that honor too?

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