Return of Reckoning

Kolkuth wrote:

Tiggo wrote:yes that rdps is valid in rvr is nothing new

"We're having good results with it on CW 6v6" > Fixed !

I have lots of recorded videos, but I feel like we are showing off when posting it to public youtube channels. Maybe I'll do it soon anyway.

A lot of us want to watch it still. People should learn to put e-peen aside and just enjoy the game.

magter3001 wrote: A lot of us want to watch it still. People should learn to put e-peen aside and just enjoy the game.

There is no real e-peen problem just a serious portion of disrespect between certain grps.
Enigma/gankbus is absolutely fine with deep and dry, full moon and ccm. While we seem to have problems with the attitude of other grps.

Just as an explanation not a side flame.

watching rdsp group against mdps is like watching a serve and volley player against a backplayer in tennis. to bad they ruined serve and volley with the new balls and rackets some years ago. hardly any serve and volley anymore even in wimbledon. just like in war a bit

Bretin wrote:dont get me wrong i dont wanna cause drama or derail into a flame war but why do you guys call it your toughest/hardest fight? i mean you were losing to our rdps setup for example. wasnt that one harder since it was a loss? the latest fight was more or less even imho. you killed our lowbie wl 4 times, me one time and we killed your dps & heal one and two times. was really a tough match but i dont understand how it can be harder than a total defeat.

If I'm allowed to interject on Fusion's behalf, the 3/1/2 RDPS fight in which you won 7 to 5 was vastly different from the 2/2/2 melee set-up in which you lost 4 to 5. In my opinion, the reason the balance was shifted in the first fight was due to punting at your spawn once fully pushed back, which allowed you to fire away when Fusion was running back for a regroup; easy kills with your guards far away if you're firing at range with 3 DPS who know what they're doing. The second fight seemed vastly more exciting from a spectator perspective since it was a really awesome close-quarters melee brawl in which the flag was completely ignored. I actually saw it coming that the lowbie WL got killed so often due to lack of levels and gear; if that were you on your WL, Bretin, that fight would've been much more difficult.

Also, deaths from guards in competitive SCs like this are a true shame; they tend to ruin the balance of things by NPC interjection, when you're already having a nice fight. Perhaps something both groups can take into account next time, depending on whether or not you agree

Overall, can't wait to see more!

Well said. Only gripe with CW is the guards, tbh (prevents being able to completely wipe an enemy team when they are on the retreat)

RyanMakara wrote:

Bretin wrote:dont get me wrong i dont wanna cause drama or derail into a flame war but why do you guys call it your toughest/hardest fight? i mean you were losing to our rdps setup for example. wasnt that one harder since it was a loss? the latest fight was more or less even imho. you killed our lowbie wl 4 times, me one time and we killed your dps & heal one and two times. was really a tough match but i dont understand how it can be harder than a total defeat.

If I'm allowed to interject on Fusion's behalf, the 3/1/2 RDPS fight in which you won 7 to 5 was vastly different from the 2/2/2 melee set-up in which you lost 4 to 5. In my opinion, the reason the balance was shifted in the first fight was due to punting at your spawn once fully pushed back, which allowed you to fire away when Fusion was running back for a regroup; easy kills with your guards far away if you're firing at range with 3 DPS who know what they're doing. The second fight seemed vastly more exciting from a spectator perspective since it was a really awesome close-quarters melee brawl in which the flag was completely ignored. I actually saw it coming that the lowbie WL got killed so often due to lack of levels and gear; if that were you on your WL, Bretin, that fight would've been much more difficult.

Also, deaths from guards in competitive SCs like this are a true shame; they tend to ruin the balance of things by NPC interjection, when you're already having a nice fight. Perhaps something both groups can take into account next time, depending on whether or not you agree

Overall, can't wait to see more!

on the other hand its not their fault when enemy doesnt stop way before spawn (why there must be ranged spawn guards i dont get anyway (same tor anroc).

DefinitelyNotWingz wrote: There is no real e-peen problem just a serious portion of disrespect between certain grps.
Enigma/gankbus is absolutely fine with deep and dry, full moon and ccm. While we seem to have problems with the attitude of other grps.
Just as an explanation not a side flame.

Weird - from what I saw, the disrespect was coming from the Enigma side as their posted stream showed them continually flaming a fusion group that was rick-rolling their shadow warrior. The posts from fusion regarding the melee win have been exactly the same as those posted by Gankbus regarding their vids over ccm/deep and dry.

Are you guys fine with ccm / deep & dry because you post five vids always winning and you're having disrespect problems with fusion because you aren't? Looks alot like sour grapes imho.

Tiggo wrote:(why there must be ranged spawn guards i dont get anyway (same tor anroc).

If you remember, the guards were removed at some point but because there were a few WLs who pounced into the spawn, the change was reverted.

magter3001 wrote:

Tiggo wrote:(why there must be ranged spawn guards i dont get anyway (same tor anroc).

If you remember, the guards were removed at some point but because there were a few WLs who pounced into the spawn, the change was reverted.

I could change the guards to be melee only to still prevent that. Once you are out of spawn, you are on your own in a 6v6, in my opinion. Will discuss it with the team later today, also regarding a few other things we should consider for future 6v6 SCs.

incredible wrote:
Weird - from what I saw, the disrespect was coming from the Enigma side as their posted stream showed them continually flaming a fusion group that was rick-rolling their shadow warrior. The posts from fusion regarding the melee win have been exactly the same as those posted by Gankbus regarding their vids over ccm/deep and dry.

Are you guys fine with ccm / deep & dry because you post five vids always winning and you're having disrespect problems with fusion because you aren't? Looks alot like sour grapes imho.

Not intending to derail this topic. If anyone is interested send a pm. Not going to answer to someone anonymous like this troll.