Return of Reckoning

look at waronlinebuilder, hammer wiki is old and outdated

gotharg wrote:Why pounce in RoR cost only 30 AP? According to http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Pounce it was 40

You are quoting an article that was written back in 2008/9. According to a more recent resource, it's 30 AP

I think it is abnormal that a faction can have an advantage like the wl jump. This class is unkitabke. Once have seen a wl doing something like 8 jump and another time, a wl going accros lateral fences on high pass cemetery sc, jump on the balcony on sc Ekrund door from the middle of the flag.
and on toc anroc sc when they are bump on lava they can jump into the void for escape. they have too much advantage...

Manolitow wrote:I think it is abnormal that a faction can have an advantage like the wl jump. This class is unkitabke. Once have seen a wl doing something like 8 jump and another time, a wl going accros lateral fences on high pass cemetery sc, jump on the balcony on sc Ekrund door from the middle of the flag.
and on toc anroc sc when they are bump on lava they can jump into the void for escape. they have too much advantage...

Here's your answer

Bretin wrote: Ask yourself what the WL is really good at and seperates him from other classes and you will end up with the answer: Fast target swaps and high single target burst. Basically he is a high risk/high reward class. HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD WAT? No worries "INSERT-NAME" i will explain that one for you: if you decide to pounce in and burst one down you might leave heal / guard range so it's high risk. If the people are to dumb to position, i agree there is no risk. But don't we balance around proper group PvP instead of l2p issues?

Bretin wrote: Ask yourself what the WL is really good at and seperates him from other classes and you will end up with the answer: Fast target swaps and high single target burst. Basically he is a high risk/high reward class. HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD WAT? No worries "INSERT-NAME" i will explain that one for you: if you decide to pounce in and burst one down you might leave heal / guard range so it's high risk. If the people are to dumb to position, i agree there is no risk. But don't we balance around proper group PvP instead of l2p issues?

Ok u leave your healer and your guard , but u can jump back on destro tank who are in lot of time not to far of your teamates so what up? and what about jump trough fences? jump on balcony on ekrund? and if u take to hard u have just to move back little bit for go down...
and its again the only class who can escape a bump on lava toc anroc again... too much advantage than all other class for me

But that's the thing right?

Even through Bretin is completely right

A smart wl player can easily factor in risk vs reward of pouncing onto a target and a coordinated grp can easily work together to minimize that risk

This is like talking about risk vs reward on choppas/Sls running in red/running no rage drop but a coordinated grp or a pocket healer and tank can easily mitigate that risk or minimize a large chunk of it

Things like pounce need to be in the game not nerfed and drowned out / homogenized to be like every other class. It creates a skill ceiling on WL and a playstyle that isn't found on any other class, but that is obviously also thanks to the pet.

I hope every class can get an ability like pounce (not literally) but what it means in terms of what that class is able to do in the hands of a player using a skill that allows them to do amazing things when used properly. Right now it seems like all the fun toys are on mara/WL. You look at classes like knight with almost 100% static targeted abilities that don't really have different oppurnities based on situations etc... The whole class is held up or really defined by boring static group buffs from tactics that require no input from the user.

We need to make changes to the game that raise the skill ceiling, not lower it.

Luranni wrote:

SigmarPriest wrote:

Luranni wrote:I was under the impression that abusing broken abilities was a 24 hour ban, having witnessed a choppa on the receiving end.

I'd assume that engi, magus, and WL abusing broken abilities would receive the same treatment.

You have a false impression. There is no plain guidline that says somebody use a broken ability = 1 day temp ban. If we do that and what we do depends on how the broken ability effects the pvp and how many people suffer under this.

Perhaps you should fix or disable. Having unclear guidelines on the use of broken abilities is detrimental and promotes unfair usage since it apparently comes down to which GM is online and affected when it happens.

we have guidlines for this and what kind of punishment somebody get depends not from the GM. But the field is to complex to make rules like player abc do f and get punishment y. You can be sure that i have a very good eye on this. Because it is very important that every player got the same punishment for the same violation. When we see a new violation and the first player get a punishment because of this we stick with this punishment for every new violation that is exact the same.

I totaly agree with jaycub. Wl with no pounce has no reason to exist. Is like removing away invisibility from we. Nurf wl pounce and wl will die. All orders will take slayers instead that do more dmg after all.

no pounce and pounce nerf isnt same

so for you, its normal wl can jump trough fences on war? its normal to be the only unkitable class on this game ? If destro got one i'll say ok nvm but there is not so...