Return of Reckoning

As much as I would love abilities to be fixed. I hope you aren't being selective in your choices.
With everything being broken there is still a thread of balance at the moment that actually works if people play a mix of classes. The spamming OP Engineer and the AOE Iron Breakers don't last long against a Shammy without heals. They are currently the only class that can beat down the practically invincible Disciple of Khaine which a lot of Destro players are clinging to.

That said... I hope the DoK and Marauder are being fixed as well with their massive 239 per hit x 4 attacks. All I am saying is, don't complain to just fix the things "you" want...we all want something fixed and we all have to wait. I've seen people come and go from this server in the last 3 months because things aren't what "they" think they should be. TOUGH TITTY! It's alpha ...Oh yeah..and

FYI.. Nice site. Easier to read information than Hammerwiki.

http://warhammer.gamepressure.com/war_classes.asp

There's no selectiveness or bias in the fixing. The reason the Ironbreaker is being fixed (and none of the other spam PBAoEs) is because the Ironbreaker AoEs are the result of an error in the database which is simple to fix. The other ones have the correct ability handler (of the limited set that exist:) the problem is only that the AoE ability handler is heavily simplified right now, and that can't be fixed until the rest of the abilities are.

Regarding your comment, even without the Ironbreaker, Order still have a massive advantage over Destruction right now. Destruction have to pay 25 silver to go to the IC and lack the Ironbreaker farming abilities. As far as current classes stack up:

IB >> BG (AoE spam)
Slayer > Choppa (Slow Down is a working snare)
Engi > Magus (Physical damage abilities have higher base damage)
RP >> Zealot (Oath Rune of Warding AoE spam)
KotBS = Chosen
WH >>> WE (Absolution spam, Burn, Heretic!)
BW = Sorc
WP ~= DoK (DoK's Covenant does nothing whereas WP's is an AoE heal for 200 every 10 seconds, and DoKs are capable of more damage, therefore better return from Rend Soul as well.)
SM << BO (BO has a frontal AoE)
WL < Marauder (WL is a pet class but has morale access, Marauder has Convulsive Slashing)
SW > SH (SW has morale, SH is a pet class)
AM >> Shaman (AM has access to morale and Reinforce War Engine buffs)

If anything, fixing the IB shifts the balance back towards Destruction where it belongs. And I play Order. There's no nobility in spending a scenario camping the Destro warcamp just because someone decided to bring an Ironbreaker to the party.

Cheers Nalgol, i hope this has a positive effect on rvr.

@Grolar being selective is what will riddle out all or atleast most of the imbalance, being selective to benefit order or destro will be the problem.
You would have to be lying to not see bugged aoe skills are causing huge problems.
engi's and ib's dont beat shamans because shamans can heal, simple as that,a pure dps race shamans lose, what u said cud be said about fighting any heal class without a healer of your own, destro or order.
U also say they are the only class able to beat down doks as if it justifies to not fix the skills ?, destro have the same problem with wp's.
From what i see playing destro and not being bias each side has there fair amount of bs.
I just hope the players clinging onto the classes with the better bugged skills dont find something else.

Wow a nerf class x thread man it feels like 2008

Azarael wrote:There's no selectiveness or bias in the fixing. The reason the Ironbreaker is being fixed (and none of the other spam PBAoEs) is because the Ironbreaker AoEs are the result of an error in the database which is simple to fix. The other ones have the correct ability handler (of the limited set that exist:) the problem is only that the AoE ability handler is heavily simplified right now, and that can't be fixed until the rest of the abilities are.

Regarding your comment, even without the Ironbreaker, Order still have a massive advantage over Destruction right now. Destruction have to pay 25 silver to go to the IC and lack the Ironbreaker farming abilities. As far as current classes stack up:

IB >> BG (AoE spam)
Slayer > Choppa (Slow Down is a working snare)
Engi > Magus (Physical damage abilities have higher base damage)
RP >> Zealot (Oath Rune of Warding AoE spam)
KotBS = Chosen
WH >>> WE (Absolution spam, Burn, Heretic!)
BW = Sorc
WP >= DoK (Absolute mirrors, except DoK's Covenant does nothing whereas WP's is an AoE heal for 200 every 10 seconds)
SM << BO (BO has a frontal AoE)
WL < Marauder (WL is a pet class but has morale access, Marauder has Convulsive Slashing)
SW > SH (SW has morale, SH is a pet class)
AM >> Shaman (AM has access to morale and Reinforce War Engine buffs)

If anything, fixing the IB shifts the balance back towards Destruction where it belongs. And I play Order. There's no nobility in spending a scenario camping the Destro warcamp just because someone decided to bring an Ironbreaker to the party.

On the WP >= DoK; DoKs can do more damage and thereby regain more HP from Rend Soul than WPs.

Yeah, I saw a DoK rend soul me for 277 every hit. My own DoK only hits for 221. I guess there's better DoK gear around?

Edited post.

Azarael wrote:Yeah, I saw a DoK rend soul me for 277 every hit. My own DoK only hits for 221. I guess there's better DoK gear around?

Edited post.

They stack strength like crazy.

Semi-related -- do we have a consolidated list of what does and does not currently work as per tooltip, anywhere? Has this been compiled? I've rolled a few alts and discovered in some cases that most of the stuff doesn't work.

I'm not saying this as a complaint, I know the state of the game and where we're at -- more that it would be useful for anyone else that comes along to be able to take a look and see where a given class is at. I know there are three or four alts I would have held off trying to level if I'd known what was and was not functional (ignoring the fact that my latency is too high to melee in PvP anyway).

If there isn't, I have no problems attempting to compile and maintain it as we go... but I want to avoid any potential duplication of effort.