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Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:09 pm
by hogo2hogo
Why leave items and not gold?
FYI that is why gold was created as a universal means of transaction instead of trading potatoes for tomatoes.
In that logic, lets wipe items, ranks, and renown ranks because other people have 4-5 rr40s chars and others have only rr5.
Only decent arguments in my opinion so far, worth noting are:
a) limited AH duration for items
Would limit the price increase of setting a canopic jar for 50g, or some items of the weird for 1k gold..
b) Increased drop rate for fragments, or epic items in rvr area
In that case supply would increase or in a small chance for the worst case scenario, the gold gap would increase should the same people win the items

Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:04 pm
by Bacta
I don't know if this has been discussed in this thread yet, but I don't know if anyone thought through how this would affect the lower tiers. It is much harder to travel now especially when you are first getting into tier 2. I practically had to stay in empire for awhile on an alt to be able to afford the cost to change zones. In tier 2 you are literally being rewarded the same cost it takes to fly to a different zone per kill quest.
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:31 pm
by Linae
I don't agree with gold wipes at all. Some people spend all their gold at fast rates, top gear and items and pots /talis etc for 6 chars and 100 gold on each character ( which lets say the wipe is for 100g per character, they still have 600 gold) . Another person might have only 1 or 2 chars, in decent talis but maybe not the most expensive ones and saved up gold by farming mobs for hours but have 600 gold only on 1 character.. so they get almost all of their gold wiped and still don't have the best items or talis/pots etc.
The ONLY way a gold wipe would be fair would be to also wipe all gear, all talis, all pots, etc from the inventory and start from scratch on all characters. Period.
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:13 pm
by Gobtar
@Hogo: I already explained why (a) wouldnt work...
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:58 pm
by Landaren
Gold wipe won't to anything if there are 5 22 str talis on the ah and 100 people want them the price is going to be very high
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:08 pm
by Tklees
Linae wrote:I don't agree with gold wipes at all. Some people spend all their gold at fast rates, top gear and items and pots /talis etc for 6 chars and 100 gold on each character ( which lets say the wipe is for 100g per character, they still have 600 gold) . Another person might have only 1 or 2 chars, in decent talis but maybe not the most expensive ones and saved up gold by farming mobs for hours but have 600 gold only on 1 character.. so they get almost all of their gold wiped and still don't have the best items or talis/pots etc.
The ONLY way a gold wipe would be fair would be to also wipe all gear, all talis, all pots, etc from the inventory and start from scratch on all characters. Period.
They have done this once already and I do not think its wise to do it again. Some players have now saved up and purchased 2 sets of gear, SC weps, and have full crafting bags because they put the time in. I do not care about a Gold wipe in the least or a selective Item wipe, all but SC weps, Dev/duelist gear, stalker and crafting items.
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:18 pm
by Bacta
Tklees wrote:Linae wrote:I don't agree with gold wipes at all. Some people spend all their gold at fast rates, top gear and items and pots /talis etc for 6 chars and 100 gold on each character ( which lets say the wipe is for 100g per character, they still have 600 gold) . Another person might have only 1 or 2 chars, in decent talis but maybe not the most expensive ones and saved up gold by farming mobs for hours but have 600 gold only on 1 character.. so they get almost all of their gold wiped and still don't have the best items or talis/pots etc.
The ONLY way a gold wipe would be fair would be to also wipe all gear, all talis, all pots, etc from the inventory and start from scratch on all characters. Period.
They have done this once already and I do not think its wise to do it again. Some players have now saved up and purchased 2 sets of gear, SC weps, and have full crafting bags because they put the time in. I do not care about a Gold wipe in the least or a selective Item wipe, all but SC weps, Dev/duelist gear, stalker and crafting items.
Exactly how i feel, i know this is an "Alpha" but at this time people have invested so much time in there characters where it no longer seems like one
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:25 pm
by Rebuke
Bacta wrote:Tklees wrote:Linae wrote:I don't agree with gold wipes at all. Some people spend all their gold at fast rates, top gear and items and pots /talis etc for 6 chars and 100 gold on each character ( which lets say the wipe is for 100g per character, they still have 600 gold) . Another person might have only 1 or 2 chars, in decent talis but maybe not the most expensive ones and saved up gold by farming mobs for hours but have 600 gold only on 1 character.. so they get almost all of their gold wiped and still don't have the best items or talis/pots etc.
The ONLY way a gold wipe would be fair would be to also wipe all gear, all talis, all pots, etc from the inventory and start from scratch on all characters. Period.
They have done this once already and I do not think its wise to do it again. Some players have now saved up and purchased 2 sets of gear, SC weps, and have full crafting bags because they put the time in. I do not care about a Gold wipe in the least or a selective Item wipe, all but SC weps, Dev/duelist gear, stalker and crafting items.
Exactly how i feel, i know this is an "Alpha" but at this time people have invested so much time in there characters where it no longer seems like one
The amount of time people spent on their toons should have 0% influence on the decision to do a full item wipe, should a root-cause analysis regarding the broken economy conclude that it would fix the economy of the server. And this is coming from a guy that has played his SM alone for 16661 days playtime already!
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:07 pm
by Bacta
It does if it affects the community, i think some players would be salty and not return after losing everything that they have spent hours/days working on. Economy is hard to fix when the AH drives the economy, there needs to be an influx of items to cause prices to go down, more crafters making talisman/potions.
Re: The problem with gold...
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:05 pm
by Asherdoom
well i just proposed for gold due to the fact that would unbalance the early t4 release. apart that i think balance is prety good since most of gear you can get without the need of spend 4k golds for one piece.