Return of Reckoning

just go shadow warrior. everything kills you easily!!

scatterthewinds wrote: Can we just be honest with ourselves at the simplicity and lack of skill involved in rdps gameplay? They stay in safe positions, they're first to flee if their position is overrun, they have access to resolute defense + flee so its not even easy to catch someone, and they have virtually no gap-closing issues. If an rdps player simply has decent positional sense, and a basic rotation knowledge then you literally cannot be a bad player. Compare that skill level with that of melee. Its not even comparable.

Resolute defense is gone. No idea how you missed that. As for rangeds being as simple as you say, I have to disagree. Being melee and ranged has obvious differences when it comes to guard. I'd actually go as far as to say melee is easier in many cases. And also, constant pressure vs telegraphed bursts, hello. And target selection, which is pretty much the essence of this discussion.

Of course for leeching a zerg ranged is superior, but that shouldn't be, and most likely isn't what this discussion is about. At any rate, most pug sorcs and BWs are absolute trash anyways, so if we take a pug pov all classes need massive buffs.

scatterthewinds wrote: Can we just be honest with ourselves at the simplicity and lack of skill involved in rdps gameplay? They stay in safe positions, they're first to flee if their position is overrun, they have access to resolute defense + flee so its not even easy to catch someone, and they have virtually no gap-closing issues. If an rdps player simply has decent positional sense, and a basic rotation knowledge then you literally cannot be a bad player. Compare that skill level with that of melee. Its not even comparable.

Nope.
I play all archtypes. None of them are somehow "über complex" or require some kind of entrance exam to be good at.
Play Sorc, tab target or try click target at distance, do your rotation, watch it fail/succeed thanks to RNG, pick next target by clicking or tab targeting.
Play BW, do same stuff.
Play SW, click target or tab target, shoot your arrows and either it dies or doesn't, proceed to next target, keep moving and kiting and pewpewing at same time.
Play Knight, stand there being awesome, check whom to guard, remember your most important task of running all 3 auras and then occasionally staggering or punting or challenging and taunting people, sometimes assist a mdps in snaring down target and all other complex tasks.
Play BG, pick some target for Dark Protector and swap guard around, guard some mdps, punt people around and debuff enemies left and right doing your standard debuff rotations and occasional CC + Guard swaps.
Play WE, watch for whom to gank/burst, check where allies might be around or where enemy dps might gank you, pop from stealth, do standard rotation, target either explodes or doesnt, run away and get to next target choice, or just hit whoever is nearby and hope they die too. Keep doing standard rotations and spamming same 3-5 buttons.
Play Dok/Shaman/AM/WP, do standard positioning and heal cleanse people and detaunt nasty enemy dps, nothing complex there either.

Now I might not be best Sorc/WE/BW/Knight/SM/DoK/Sham/AM/WH/WL/Chosen/BG/SW/WP/Mara player around, but if you think this game has some superb ultra complex classes, then nope, I don't agree with that. All archtypes have their typical roles, typical 3-6 key rotations and debuffs/buffs/CC they can throw around. Once you learn positioning on some class, you have decent positioning on any other class. Once you learn target picking, you good on any class when it comes to target picking.
Melee might provide some challenges, but with good team you have relatively little issues when it comes to closing gaps or countering enemy RDPs.

All classes are simple when have played game long enough to understand all basics. Sure, you might not be in top 10 players of said class, nor might not always top Sc board or zone kills, but you can play "simple" and do good job on any class with relative ease.

If anything, current state of Disrupt has made some rdps classes overly challenging when it comes to sheer difficulty or landing damage on target. On mdps you can just do your typical tricks to close gap and then keep dancing to hit enemy backs and have them snared so reaching and keeping them in melee range remains relatively ease. Mdps burst and dancing to reach enemy backs is RELIABLE damage dealing. Magical casters and rolling the dice to see whether 30% or 50% or even 70% of your spells fail to cause harm is just masochism at times.
Just because other class has 100 feet range and other has 5 feet range doesn't mean the one with longer range has to be garbage at dealing dmg to GROUPED COMPETENT targets.