mursie wrote:
1. one sc for pugs to freely play as pugs
2. one sc for premades to freely play against only premades
3. the remainder of sc's that are for any and all group sizes.
This is I feel the best compromise. Population is a real problem and I hope this is best solution.
The only thing I would change is to have a rotation of premade only scenarios with 1 DM map and 1 Capture/Objective map on a weekly/bi-weekly basis.
The PUG only map should be something like nordenwatch, a simple objective based scenario. If you make it something that is too easy/fast there won't be much incentive to que for much else.
magter3001 wrote:Solo queue won't help pugs, in fact it might make it worse for them.
I disagree with this statement. I think a solo que sc would be very healthy for the game. I think it would give casuals and new players an arena to learn their class and their abilities. All would essentially be on equal ground since everyone is a random in the que. Sure, some players are better than others.. but it's still leaps and bounds more equal footing than an environment where the opposing side is an organized, ts/vent coordinated, 6 man group that would stomp you before you leave spawn.
I think it would also be a breeding ground for players to make contacts and build future coordinated groups to challenge in 6v6 que only arenas.
I believe the following should exist:
1. one sc for pugs to freely play as pugs
2. one sc for premades to freely play against only premades
3. the remainder of sc's that are for any and all group sizes.
Oh - and the reason you are able to cherry pick on order side behind order premades with your deftard punt IB... is because we play the underpopulated side to try and balance the que'ing population. It has become routine for 3 to 4+ order NA premades to be queing. I would love nothing more than to play my geared fully ranked WL. We play undergeared and PL'd destro alts to try and make the sc's somewhat challenging.
What this man said.
I don't know of any other group that retroactively tries to play the side that's getting creamed on. It would be pathetically easy to que up with our fully geared order toons while multiple other order groups are quing. We, however, do not.
I hate losing SC's cuz my PUGs are retarded. I hate farming PUGs. If your idea of a good que is to hide behind other premades while your own brain registers it as 'PUG'ing", then we literally have no reason to be talking to one another, lol. You can punt and stand up to my six all you want but we all know, if you didn't have that organized six on your side, you wouldn't leave your camp.
You're a fly compared to the dragon that a full group is. You can boast and talk all you want but a true 6v6 is what I want.
"I see the hatred in your eyes, hidden behind courtly graces. I know the terrible darkness that hides behind your well-rehearsed lies. I wait for you at the edge of sanity. I taste the pain in your mind, the yearning to end this charade.
—Tzeentch
Who is even queing up on order lately NA time? Seems like destro has way more premades
Malice
Emnity
MRP
Tempest Wolves
The Damned
Critical Acclaim
I'm not saying you guys are wrong just curious because I am not seeing anyone order side. Plenty of like 3/4 mans but haven't seen a full 6 queuing besides us in a long time.
Last edited by Jaycub on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
mursie wrote:
1. one sc for pugs to freely play as pugs
2. one sc for premades to freely play against only premades
3. the remainder of sc's that are for any and all group sizes.
This sounds ok.
Seperate premades and other players for all scenarios sounds bad.
What is a premade? Only six players or also five (or less) players queue together?
To be honest, I don´t see a big problem with the actual system. The only people that at the moment have slight disadvantage are progressive premades, because they often lack a decent opponent. Solution would be organisated 6vs6 fights in open (yeah, without emblems; the slight disadvantage ^^).
If solo-players get tired of getting farmed over and over again (because of lack of tanks or healers), they should make a group. It is not that hard.
magter3001 wrote:Solo queue won't help pugs, in fact it might make it worse for them.
I disagree with this statement. I think a solo que sc would be very healthy for the game. I think it would give casuals and new players an arena to learn their class and their abilities. All would essentially be on equal ground since everyone is a random in the que. Sure, some players are better than others.. but it's still leaps and bounds more equal footing than an environment where the opposing side is an organized, ts/vent coordinated, 6 man group that would stomp you before you leave spawn.
I think it would also be a breeding ground for players to make contacts and build future coordinated groups to challenge in 6v6 que only arenas.
I believe the following should exist:
1. one sc for pugs to freely play as pugs
2. one sc for premades to freely play against only premades
3. the remainder of sc's that are for any and all group sizes.
Oh - and the reason you are able to cherry pick on order side behind order premades with your deftard punt IB... is because we play the underpopulated side to try and balance the que'ing population. It has become routine for 3 to 4+ order NA premades to be queing. I would love nothing more than to play my geared fully ranked WL. We play undergeared and PL'd destro alts to try and make the sc's somewhat challenging.
Casuals don't learn though unless they are shown specifically what they are doing wrong. If you want people to play better, make video guides on how to play their classes better (something I'm trying to do). If you get a DoK in the wrong spec, a melee SH, and an AoE sorc all in one group without any tanks and any coordination, they are going to get dunked on no matter if they are going against pugs or premades.
Premades don't automatically = a win. Destro has at least two guild premades, TS and all who absolutely fail. One heal debuff on any of them and they drop like a rock... and that's a premade for you. Pugs can be better than those guilds...
There are maybe 4 guilds who can stomp pugs and premades alike on the whole server... that's what, 24 people out of 1000 people?
Another problem people have is thinking that the opposition always has a premade when they are getting stomped. It could be pug vs pug and the rest of the 18 people in BoP are screaming that they got a 6 man pro premade.
Agrot 35/40 Aggychopp 32/40
Grelin of Magnus/Badlands
Jaycub wrote:Who is even queing up on order lately NA time? Seems like destro has way more premades
Malice
Emnity
MRP
Tempest Wolves
The Damned
Critical Acclaim
I'm not saying you guys are wrong just curious because I am not seeing anyone order side. Plenty of like 3/4 mans but haven't seen a full 6 queuing besides us in a long time.
CA doesn't have a NA premade. Malice plays Order a lot. I occasionally queue up with Twyxx on Order with her 4 man. Tklees I think had a 6 man not long ago... a few others as well that might have been pick-up premades.
Agrot 35/40 Aggychopp 32/40
Grelin of Magnus/Badlands
When we switched to destro 2 weeks back it was because destro had zero premades running and order had DoE, OldSchool, Us, Out of Control, The Family, etc..
It is all relative though. We have flipped sides in the same day based on what side has more que'ing. And yes - lately everything NA seems dead.
I do have a theory on that though. NA has a low population...and likely 1 or 2 premades actually queing. If you're a pug... it's poison because you are guaranteed to face a premade with so few in que. At least during EU primetime, with so many people playing, you have a 50/50 shot at a random balanced sc because that many more people playing. I think a solo que sc would bring alot of growth to NA. - Everyone knows that NA is a bunch of lazy american starbucks barista casuals... but the population is only going to continue to die out NA side if something doesn't change.
