Return of Reckoning

Nanji wrote:
Your homework.

1. Check the definition of irony
2. realize the difference between being mentioned and mentioning
3. Check the definition of being butthurt
4. Check if it applies to you and morf

ty

Check the definition of Egotistical.
Now i have better things to do them bicker on a forum of an alpha game with ppl who see things through rose tinted glasses.

Nishka wrote:Pounce in it's unbroken state was good on live but no op by any means. Well, -maybe- it was kinda op in 1 vs 1 against kiters but in rvr pouncing into the midst of battle would probably mean that you overextend, get out of guard range of your tank, draw all possible focus and die.

It was OP against kiters in 1v1 although Pounce was mostly added to counter the 1v1 kiter classes with run speed increase tactic upon hit (Shaman, SH)? It's perfectly balanced against Gobbo kiters, only Sorc and Magus suffer hard from pounce in 1v1 against a WL if we have to use the kiting argument, cus they can hardly kite.

Nanji wrote:

Coryphaus wrote:
Who? Theirs shammy and herder? and all because of run away?

You guys have SW and Wl who is also a good 1v1 kiter with perma snare

Return of Reckoning 1v1 game confirmed! (snares are removable etc.)

if we are talking about run away:

40% snare + run away = 5% slow, 40% slow on order kiter though
I think no one of my premade ever said "nerf run away" seriously.

He stated that destro had better kiters which in all most all cases alludes to run away, i asked whom but SH and sham? Furthermore if were talking in the context of 6v6 then their should be no real issues vs kiters if your coordinated right, as a vast majoirty of ordo "anti kiter", tools such as pounce and rkd was apperantly put into to deal with 1v1 kiters

Why would you kite on wl, only in 1vs1 and 1vs1 doesn't matter for balance.

And yes, shaman/sh are by far the best kiters ingame.
Shaman has second hot/run away/ detaunt tactic etc. (You see, not only run away, but nice try, didn't expect you to know anyway)
Sh has ranged charge+taunt, kb etc..

In conclusion, destru has better kiters, order better tools against kiting. Balanced.
That's how you look at all aspects of gameplay, not by saying "pounce op, please remove".

Morf wrote:

Nanji wrote:
Your homework.

1. Check the definition of irony
2. realize the difference between being mentioned and mentioning
3. Check the definition of being butthurt
4. Check if it applies to you and morf

ty

Check the definition of Egotistical.
Now i have better things to do them bicker on a forum of an alpha game with ppl who see things through rose tinted glasses.

Checked it, applies to me most of the time.
Doesnt change the fact that you are butthurt matey. I cant imagine why.
And instead of flaming i would suggest to contribute to the topic or the ongoing discussion.
And yes I do that.

Coryphaus wrote:

He stated that destro had better kiters which in all most all cases alludes to run away, i asked whom but SH and sham? Furthermore if were talking in the context of 6v6 then their should be no real issues vs kiters if your coordinated right, as a vast majoirty of ordo "anti kiter", tools such as pounce and rkd was apperantly put into to deal with 1v1 kiters

Kinda offtopic but I am fine with it.

See when you snare a shami or sh they have a 5% slow, yet you can snare the train chasing resulting in a 35% speed difference and a gap which is not likely to be covered long enough to kill said sh or shami.
A 6on6 would be about finding the right balance between running away and dealing dmg.

tomato wrote: Shaman has second hot/run away/ detaunt tactic etc. (You see, not only run away, but nice try, didn't expect you to know anyway)

and you make all tha obsolete by bringing kotbs \you know, the most used order's tank\, what is the problem here? Shamans are worst of healing, they got really hard counter. Why even bring shamans as balance breaker when the best move is to not play shaman at all?

white lion does more DPS then any of the order class.

It most likely feels gimp because you are pouncing into a melee train and getting smoked, this is what I see most of the time anyway.

Nameless wrote:

tomato wrote: Shaman has second hot/run away/ detaunt tactic etc. (You see, not only run away, but nice try, didn't expect you to know anyway)

and you make all tha obsolete by bringing kotbs \you know, the most used order's tank\, what is the problem here? Shamans are worst of healing, they got really hard counter. Why even bring shamans as balance breaker when the best move is to not play shaman at all?

Your post contains so much bullshit it's almost unbelievable.
Where do you get the idea that I said shamans are balance breakers?

All I said was:
Destru has better kiters.
Order better anti kite tools.

So all in all it's balanced. Maybe read the other post before posting crap next time.

And if you seriously think shamans are bad or the worst healers than there is nothing more to say, because you have no clue at all about the topic.

tomato wrote: And if you seriously think shamans are bad or the worst healers than there is nothing more to say, because you have no clue at all about the topic.

So shams are better healers then doks or zeals or both?