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Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:37 am
by Sinisterror
Sulorie wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:48 pm
Sinisterror wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:31 pm
My rank 37 slayer can do over 2k crits dual wielding. I cant do 2k with crits my we/wh (except burn awy lies final tick)
What you are hitting and what skill is it? I doubt bolster matters anything on that rank and I don't see endgame gear slayers doing such single hits being dual wield.
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Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:08 am
by Sulorie
Sinisterror wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:37 am
Sulorie wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:48 pm
Sinisterror wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:31 pm
My rank 37 slayer can do over 2k crits dual wielding. I cant do 2k with crits my we/wh (except burn awy lies final tick)
What you are hitting and what skill is it? I doubt bolster matters anything on that rank and I don't see endgame gear slayers doing such single hits being dual wield.
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https://imgur.com/a/Bomg93X I dont know how to add images here but i quess that link works
You should turn on combat log with time stamps if you run tests.
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:35 pm
by Sinisterror
Sulorie wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:08 am
Sinisterror wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:37 am
Sulorie wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:48 pm
What you are hitting and what skill is it? I doubt bolster matters anything on that rank and I don't see endgame gear slayers doing such single hits being dual wield.
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https://imgur.com/a/Bomg93X I dont know how to add images here but i quess that link works
You should turn on combat log with time stamps if you run tests.
Didnt run tests, just found old screenshot of my lvl 34 slayer doing 1500 crits flurry 1200 AA hit + 2000+ hit. Probably like 160-170 dmg bonus on that and not lvl 40 even. Yeah i know those things dont have defenses but its still alot dmg on lvl 34 char=) The dmg hitting 24 people its the problem, aoe cap is too much. 6-9 would be okay.
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:58 pm
by nosu
too bad WH didnt get the WE pounce it would have help a lot against SH/shaman
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:19 pm
by Aezron
nosu wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:58 pm
too bad WH didnt get the WE pounce it would have help a lot against SH/shaman
The pounce isn't that good tbh, from my initial testings. The animation/leap through the air is quite long for only a 30 ft leap, so you often find yourself rather just walking the distance instead since it takes about the same time as the leap animation.
Also, as with all leaps, you land behind your target if they are running (thus not in melee range), and since the leap doesnt give bonus speed on landing and WE lack melee snare you usually doesn't even catch up to the target.
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:52 pm
by kryss
IMHO I'd take the armor debuff over pounce any day of the week. Works great solo AND in WBs, where WH can expand his role as armor/ini/heal AOE debuffer - morale pumper/reducer and work well with slayers.
WE leap seems lackluster, especially for solo roaming. We already have 2 "sprints" (vanish+flee/AP pots), a selfpunt that can be used offensively and with the element of surprise from stealth you just have to plan your INCs well to seal the deal 1 vs 1. 1 vs 2 is not so different: I feel that having or not having pounce doesn't make or break your chances to be successfu and kill both
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:06 pm
by Atropik
kryss wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:52 pm
IMHO I'd take the armor debuff over pounce any day of the week. Works great solo AND in WBs, where WH can expand his role as armor/ini/heal AOE debuffer - morale pumper/reducer and work well with slayers.
WE leap seems lackluster, especially for solo roaming. We already have 2 "sprints" (vanish+flee/AP pots), a selfpunt that can be used offensively and with the element of surprise from stealth you just have to plan your INCs well to seal the deal 1 vs 1. 1 vs 2 is not so different: I feel that having or not having pounce doesn't make or break your chances to be successfu and kill both
So true. WE walks that 30ft faster than it leaps.
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:49 pm
by sighy
Atropik wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:06 pm
kryss wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:52 pm
IMHO I'd take the armor debuff over pounce any day of the week. Works great solo AND in WBs, where WH can expand his role as armor/ini/heal AOE debuffer - morale pumper/reducer and work well with slayers.
WE leap seems lackluster, especially for solo roaming. We already have 2 "sprints" (vanish+flee/AP pots), a selfpunt that can be used offensively and with the element of surprise from stealth you just have to plan your INCs well to seal the deal 1 vs 1. 1 vs 2 is not so different: I feel that having or not having pounce doesn't make or break your chances to be successfu and kill both
So true. WE walks that 30ft faster than it leaps.
So if you get stuck on some piece of terrain, while stealthed and are out of a lone BWs FoV is the time to use it?
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:57 pm
by Hienzwar
The armour debuff is beautiful - thanks devs
Re: Total lack of WH versatility
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:27 am
by Tabelrel
nosu wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:58 pm
too bad WH didnt get the WE pounce it would have help a lot against SH/shaman
Seriously once you have tried it i don't think you would want it. I think it has more chance of getting you killed than doing any killing. I think the first time I'd call for a nerf on my own class and ask for something to be removed
It's good the WH's have got a little love and a decent Christmas present, which may give them bit more versatility in WB's