(Mythic) origins of balance

[Sulorie]

Sorcs have very few weaknesses in Bomb Spec tbh. Can easily cover that with a BG guard and DoK healers.

Double BG and DOK? You have no idea man.

I seen DOK only Warbands work...

I thought we talk about pure dark elf setups. Now tell me please who buffs resists.

[roadkillrobin]

Sorc has own ressist buff tought you knew that having a Sorc.....

[footpatrol2]

Look. The current meta is about Finding something that kills people fast and compensate for your weaknesses.

My meta with racial is Screw my weaknesses. What are my strengths. I'll exaggerate that. I got something that kills things the fastest. Morale 4 bombs and they exist and I suspect best in racial.

Look at it this way. Take someone like me that see’s the potential in this and others like me. I'll make a racial competitive guild. People will say I suck. I don’t care. I'll have everyone in it have at least 2 to 4 classes that they level up within a specific race. I have to level 4 classes to max level. I'll be recruiting all the way. I'll have some players that buy into what I'm doing and want to be part of all the different builds we can do. I'll get players from different timezones to play in the guild so the groups can go constantly. I'll make those players that buy in to what I’m doing recruiters so they can recruit while they level. If this really takes off players will lvl up all 4 classes so they can be part of all the builds. I'll have racial grps in all 3 tiers. I'll tell people that I will use All of their spec's of the class that they choose which I can. I'll advertise that my guild specializes in either Keep take overs/Domination of the lakes or keep defense. I'll take Standards to give me a competitive edge and let you know my guild is here to punk you. I’ll use those standards as a tactical advantage because players want to pick it up for a large renown boost. Which ultimately I don’t care about. I'll use Racial morale m4 Bombs which compliments a particular style of play.

If I start running into a mixed group of players running premades and they start countering what I'm doing? Fine. I'll switch tactics as a warband guild to deal with their playstyles which I can do once i'm out of combat. You'll wipe me once. Then I can figure you out. I'll have preset Warband tactic slot switches to deal with different playstyles as I learn how to beat them as a race. I'll teach everyone in my guild how to do it and they can teach others. I'll teach everyone in my guild how to do specific m4 bombs to take on the problems we are dealing with and how to counter mix/other racial grps. I'll come up with specific builds for crazy playstyles like I mentioned with DE witches. I'll rally players around a specific race which is competitive.

Does your mix racial groups have my on the fly tactical flexibility?

I'll que only for sc's that benefit to my playstyle. I'll dominate the lakes.

If you bring a hard counter with mix premade fine. I'll tell players to relog on to specific racial classes to deal with it. I'll teach other people that buy in on how to do it. Since we are all of a single race its easier to make on the fly premade switches. I'll use guild taxes for mass respec's and the use of standards.

If I ran DE or Empire. I'll make you FEAR seemingly 4 solo kotbs or BG's with assassin squads. Hell If I ran DE's and you just see my guild tag on a solo BG you'll get scared. That's how far this meta can go.

I know how to take new players and get them to take directions. You don't belittle them because I know their value. Everyone had to learn sometime. Eventually they will learn if you hold their hand and they will be grateful for it and I will be happy that I have made someone's gaming experience better. Its win win. I've done it before I can do it again. If you notice I have a positive attitude in my posts. It’s done on purpose. Negative attacks do nothing. Being positive will get good reactions. You do this with players also. It’s about being patient and persistent. I care about players that log on and are willing to join my groups. I don’t want players that say you can’t. All I need is a little momentum. How do you think I got 18 dwarves to do a premade? And 12 consistently for over a year. I had to help players understand what I'm doing. I had barely any carry over from when I did mix premades.

If running High Elves or greenskinz. You can start doing the playstyle at level 21 with the AoE snares. For kicks I'll run 20 shamans so you won't go anywhere. I'll dominate the lakes. I'll play the game as it was designed to be played in my opinion.

To be fair. I'll do large write ups on how to repeat what I'm doing in the racial sections and potentially how to counter it if I want to be kind. I don’t want to add too much not because I don’t know how to do it. But I feel its better that players take ownership of racial group synergy and I want to see what other players can come up with. I don't want to have things lopsided. I want fun fights. I could hold this stuff as a secret but the point of these posts is to talk to other 12 man premade organizer's which is about 5% or less of the population and to generate player interest hence my shameless recruiting plug.

If you guys don't see the synergy of what i'm talking about. Get ready for a player base meta change then or call me stupid.

[Sulorie]

Sorc has own ressist buff tought you knew that having a Sorc.....

You shouldn't go full retard, really. I never though you will post this, I mean, how can you compare a 20sec all resist buff on a 1min cooldown with a group-wide all resist buff? This is beyond ridiculous.

[TenTonHammer]

Can easily cover that with a BG guard and DoK healers.

And chosen is even better because of resists aura debuff

their is verry little synergy between DE classes that another racial class is pretty much always better option

[Tklees]

What am I reading.... I must not be high enough to see how a warband of greenskins fights something like: 4 kotbs, 2 IB, 2 SM, 4 WP, 2 RP, 2 AM, 2 SL, 2 BW, 2 SW, 1 WL, 1 WH.

Where every group is 10% more crit, SWs in party with slayers feeding LS, everything aoe snares, shatter limbs, whispering winds with the slayers for more ID, WL and WK picking off healers with stealth pop and pounce combo, RPS feeding bog to WPs in slayer and bw groups.... The list goes on.

I don't think you have broken anything other than maybe the amount of posts by a single person without actually reading and comprehending what others have said. But go ahead tell me how you will moral 4 that warband. You would be dead before you got there.

[roadkillrobin]

How often do you actually get into bomb scrambles thats last more then 20 secs?? Moast are over in 10.
But yeah the Chosen one is better for obvius reasons.
I can list tons of synnergy stuff in the DE racials to if you want.
But yeah BG was added later to the game and wasn't really as well designed as any other tank.
The class is really good at withstanding BW's tho....so might even be able to tank with a 2hander.
And 2 BG have 100% uptime on CD. The class complelty lacks group dmg mitigration utillity.
Chosen can AoE stagger, BO can AoE knockback with AoE snare. BG lack this one.

[roadkillrobin]

What am I reading.... I must not be high enough to see how a warband of greenskins fights something like: 4 kotbs, 2 IB, 2 SM, 4 WP, 2 RP, 2 AM, 2 SL, 2 BW, 2 SW, 1 WL, 1 WH.

Where every group is 10% more crit, SWs in party with slayers feeding LS, everything aoe snares, shatter limbs, whispering winds with the slayers for more ID, WL and WK picking off healers with stealth pop and pounce combo, RPS feeding bog to WPs in slayer and bw groups.... The list goes on.

I don't think you have broken anything other than maybe the amount of posts by a single person without actually reading and comprehending what others have said. But go ahead tell me how you will moral 4 that warband. You would be dead before you got there.

Do you have a Squig Herder???
If you don't make one and lvl him up to 33. Slot Strength in Numbaz
Join a group. and watch your morale regen.
Now imagne that but instead getting 3 times as much morale. Getting to Morale 4 within time is not an issue.

[Tklees]

What am I reading.... I must not be high enough to see how a warband of greenskins fights something like: 4 kotbs, 2 IB, 2 SM, 4 WP, 2 RP, 2 AM, 2 SL, 2 BW, 2 SW, 1 WL, 1 WH.

Where every group is 10% more crit, SWs in party with slayers feeding LS, everything aoe snares, shatter limbs, whispering winds with the slayers for more ID, WL and WK picking off healers with stealth pop and pounce combo, RPS feeding bog to WPs in slayer and bw groups.... The list goes on.

I don't think you have broken anything other than maybe the amount of posts by a single person without actually reading and comprehending what others have said. But go ahead tell me how you will moral 4 that warband. You would be dead before you got there.

Do you have a Squig Herder???
If you don't make one and lvl him up to 33. Slot Strength in Numbaz
Join a group. and watch your morale regen.
Now imagne that but instead getting 3 times as much morale. Getting to Morale 4 within time is not an issue.

I only referenced modal 4 as it seems to be the OPs main argument. My thought on the biggest issue faced by a greenskin warband would be the lack of strong sustained healing go counter the damage output

[roadkillrobin]

Yes, the healing is by far the weakest point.
But it's really gonna depend on the situation. If the Shamans gets to freecast somewhat consistant. It's not really gonna be a problem, aslong as you prehot all the dps with EQB and DSU the first 10 sec's or so shoulnd't be much of a problem. When hots run out however it's gonna depend whatever tanks have hit their Defensive morales or not.

In keep fights you can asume that the whole WB has morale 4when needed exept maybe the healers who only need m2 anyway.

In open terrain it's more about movement, flankin, cordination etz. It's really not that depending on group comp. Whoever gets the "charge or flank" will probobly win nomather what.

Front vs Front. this rarly happens in the game atm, happened alot on live but pretty much only in city seiges. But here is were the optimized wb will have the edge for sure.