DoK/WP with book/chalice...

[Bozzax]

So we are back to insulting and being an ass hat. Sad to see you resort to that every time.

I'd like to see much more groups having x0 doks and wps that is all

[DefinitelyNotWingz]

Insulting by calling you a pug? Why should that be insulting? It just means you dont have a grp.
Guess you ran out of arguments.

[noisestorm]

Calling someone directly a pug always has some sort of bad flavour to it - at least id personally not like being called pug, even though i am mainly playing alone

[Bozzax]

Well it is incorrect but nvm you really are waste of time. Lets not derail this more

EDIT: pity considering how good player you are

[DefinitelyNotWingz]

Calling someone directly a pug always has some sort of bad flavour to it - at least id personally not like being called pug, even though i am mainly playing alone

I am sorry. I meant solo player.

Yet he hasnt done his homework. :<

Isn't it a bit pointless to generalise based on a class specific tactic? (1/4 cloth healers)?

Also maybe look at end gear (1431 + [660] vs 2860) and consider blue 907 potions vs 25% on tic to proc 1056?

[Defiance]

I don't get the argument going on right now (should I start reading in the single digits? plase no :/).

You've both said the same thing, but are standing on different points of view. DoK/WP has its place. Over representation caused by lopsided numbers is inherent in a two faction game. As someone pointed out, there isn't much of a 6v6 scene here. If you're 6v, it's going to be 6vX. Hence, you take what works for that purpose; DoK/WP.

The entire premise of this thread seeks to address a systematic problem, and follows in the footsteps of the shitty balancing patterns we've seen since WoW; "Let's nerf it!". No. The solution should be buffs, to allow for more options, not nerfs, to reduce options, putting a salty taste in everyone's mouth (those nerfed, and those not buffed but I guess it's okay because those other guys suck now).

Also, about that connotation thing... if you solo q, pug with pride. Unless a guild queues multiple groups who get in at once, they actually need you if they aren't going to get stomped. To them, you're fodder, but 6 people can't do everything all the time. If they lift their nose, lift your chin, you'll both be looking eye to eye, or seeing the same horizon.

[Cornerback]

Could you explain how the proposition to have Purify and Patch Wounds perform both a single target cleanse and a group cleanse, with the group cleanse component only able to affect AoE debuffs, would be an issue?

not sure to have understand what you're asking? did you ask if it would be just better to have group cleanse only affect dots that work aoe?

The idea would be that WP/DoK ST cleanse would remain as it always did. Slotting the gcleanse tactic would additionally allow it to cleanse 1 AoE debuff from each member of your group, with the exception of the target you ST cleansed.

So magus/engie dots get cleansed even more, as they cannot be cloaked by single target dots? Sounds fair

[noisestorm]

So magus/engie dots get cleansed even more, as they cannot be cloaked by single target dots? Sounds fair

Makes them more interresting in actually covering valuable debuffs that have some meaning (Sorc/BW stuff, Healdebuffs). Because their shitty dots get outhealed anyways :^)

[Tesq]

only buff degenerate into huge heal/damage/something op pike which is not the solution, you need to tone down some factors and give something to other as well, in the specific case for exemple make the dok/wp cleanse worst by increase the coldown and give an aoe cleanse to other healer as well make all happy

-dok/wp still have g-cleanse working sa intended
-other healer also have a g-cleanse
-the g-cleanse are still 2 every 10 seconds as like 1 healer had 1 g-cleanse every 5 sec
-it's really hard at this point see a 2x dok/wp if every healer have a g-cleanse if the g-cleanse is a so much bigger facter in the healer choice.--->if it was have at least x1 with a change like that, now it also unlock a lot more chance to have a shammy + zeal instead cos they can still g-cleanse 2x in 10 sec.

this is just an exemple of you cannot just buff shammy/zealot and have dok remain the same.

thus you also want to have 3 healer that are tradeable each other which mean every pairing need to have a fair trade off on small stuffs and possibly it need to be better for a different party specific set up.

[Tklees]

Could you explain how the proposition to have Purify and Patch Wounds perform both a single target cleanse and a group cleanse, with the group cleanse component only able to affect AoE debuffs, would be an issue?

The idea would be that WP/DoK ST cleanse would remain as it always did. Slotting the gcleanse tactic would additionally allow it to cleanse 1 AoE debuff from each member of your group, with the exception of the target you ST cleansed.

So magus/engie dots get cleansed even more, as they cannot be cloaked by single target dots? Sounds fair

This. I still like moving the cleanse to Grace/sac tree for leading the prayer and a dok tactic. Buff to melee healing. Nerf to backlines WP/dok. Isn't that what we are trying to do?