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Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:46 pm
by Rapzel
Cyrylius wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:38 am
Can we just agree on replacing gtdc with another bring it on channel, so that channel uptime gets doubled? Idea is much more interesting than this hilarious argument we are having here while still having more sense than this entire thread.
Also, only thing to fix about gtdc is camera screw.
Another channel to interrupt? Idk.
Would rather see some AoE burst ability that interacts with some other mechanic such as if you're target is affected by a bleed it'll ignore armor or something.
The issue is still that people see the issue with the ability not that there's an issue with the walls that they can swear that they get pulled through without providing proof, just like they swear that GtdC removes all avoidance.
Which mind you was started when GtdC was undefendable, which was removed about 2 years ago.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:42 pm
by Garamore
Farrul wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:06 pm
^^ Seriously, Goblins?
Destro have the best kiting classes in the game, other than the WL(already nerfed) i don't see any Order advantage. SW you say? Try catching a competent Shaman/SH.
Try catching an AM.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:38 pm
by forsa
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:42 pm
Try catching an AM.
Mara pull.
Choppa pull.
SH pounce.
WE ponce.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:47 pm
by Sulorie
forsa wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:38 pm
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:42 pm
Try catching an AM.
Mara pull.
Choppa pull.
SH pounce.
WE ponce.
Add all the range CC as well.
Not being able to catch AM sounds more like solo class or player issue.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:01 pm
by lumpi33
forsa wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:38 pm
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:42 pm
Try catching an AM.
Mara pull.
Choppa pull.
SH pounce.
WE ponce.
Mara 2x speed increase (charge, flee) + pull
Choppa 3x speed increase (charge, flee, gtdc) + pull
SH 2x speed increase (Run Away, flee) + ranged knock down (or pounce and outta my way! as mSH) + squig goo moral
WE 2x speed increase (2s 50%, flee) + pounce + snare dagger throw
Shaman puddle + gork sez stop
DoK snare proc + damage proc prayer for everybody in the group. You can snare enemies by throwing axes and do extra damage to them.
Sorc frozen bolt + morals to stop people
Zealot stagger (if specced)
If you cannot catch an AM that has only one flee and no gork sez stop or run away tactic then ...
Having 2 good pulls, 2 pouncing classes, run away gits, aoe knock down on a charging melee and snare prayer for the whole group makes it a lot easier to catch people or get away from them then it is on order.
Removing GTDC pull wouldn't hurt destro AT ALL. It's actually the opposite. It would make it a bit more fair.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:10 pm
by Repulsion
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:37 am
Its not so simple as just getting rid of GTDC. If you do that then you need to nerf the mobility on several order dps chars too. Destro has pulls and order has more mobility and tools to kite to counter balance it on chars like white lion, shadow warrior, bright wizard etc. Its why its so hard for anyone to balance.
That being said - id swap slayer skills for choppa skills any day of the week.
What a baffling take.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:52 am
by MMXX43
lumpi33 wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:01 pm
forsa wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:38 pm
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:42 pm
Try catching an AM.
Mara pull.
Choppa pull.
SH pounce.
WE ponce.
Mara 2x speed increase (charge, flee) + pull
Choppa 3x speed increase (charge, flee, gtdc) + pull
SH 2x speed increase (Run Away, flee) + ranged knock down (or pounce and outta my way! as mSH) + squig goo moral
WE 2x speed increase (2s 50%, flee) + pounce + snare dagger throw
Shaman puddle + gork sez stop
DoK snare proc + damage proc prayer for everybody in the group. You can snare enemies by throwing axes and do extra damage to them.
Sorc frozen bolt + morals to stop people
Zealot stagger (if specced)
If you cannot catch an AM that has only one flee and no gork sez stop or run away tactic then ...
Having 2 good pulls, 2 pouncing classes, run away gits, aoe knock down on a charging melee and snare prayer for the whole group makes it a lot easier to catch people or get away from them then it is on order.
Removing GTDC pull wouldn't hurt destro AT ALL. It's actually the opposite. It would make it a bit more fair.
you forgot witch elf movement speed tactic on snare break and snare on opener , magus snare and a faster aoe pull channel than enji, zealot no immunity punt.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:54 am
by MMXX43
Repulsion wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:10 pm
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:37 am
Its not so simple as just getting rid of GTDC. If you do that then you need to nerf the mobility on several order dps chars too. Destro has pulls and order has more mobility and tools to kite to counter balance it on chars like white lion, shadow warrior, bright wizard etc. Its why its so hard for anyone to balance.
That being said - id swap slayer skills for choppa skills any day of the week.
What a baffling take.
What on earth is he even talking about.........more mobility and kitting tools on order ...ok..
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:31 am
by normanis
Sulorie wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:47 pm
forsa wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:38 pm
Garamore wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:42 pm
Try catching an AM.
Mara pull.
Choppa pull.
SH pounce.
WE ponce.
Add all the range CC as well.
Not being able to catch AM sounds more like solo class or player issue.
he meaned am just need put on u shitons of dots press detount and flee. use ap and repeat.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:17 am
by Sulorie
normanis wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:31 am
Sulorie wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:47 pm
forsa wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:38 pm
Mara pull.
Choppa pull.
SH pounce.
WE ponce.
Add all the range CC as well.
Not being able to catch AM sounds more like solo class or player issue.
he meaned am just need put on u shitons of dots press detount and flee. use ap and repeat.
How this matters, when you get heals or are we back to soloing? Not all classes are made for this.
And flee does nothing against most of the mentioned CC.