kauyon1 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 8:25 pm
arorwne wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 8:11 pm
nonfactor wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 8:05 pm
not really borc is worse than bg right now, bo offers nothing but basic tank abilities like guard and challenge
Destro in general sucks beyond belief:
Sorc CAN'T SOLO Champs that are 3 levels below her. lol wtf.
WE...NO Repel Blasphemy! Instead, some weak ass WS buff. wtf.
BG...overall a worse version of IB.
BO...now much worse than SM and VERY BASIC.
Chosen...again, Knight is a better tank AND soloes better...wtf.
Magus...no ranged AA like Engi.
Choppa...honestly an utility version of Slayer(Git to da Choppa), otherwise very meh.
SH...now can flatout lose vs SW.
Highlights of Destro are, apparently, Mara + Zealot(better version of RP tbh) + DoK(arguably better than WP) + Shammy. Everything else is appalling! Basically, if you want to play anything except a healer, go Order.
A great deal of that isn't true. Destro will problems from this patch, but not based on what you have listed.
Sorc not being able to solo a champ below would hold true for BW. But you should be able to. This might be a L2P issue.
WE, Blashpemy is not the biggest problem. WE debuffs apply on chance to hit, not executions. Not to mention Witchbrew. There's a reason WEs can solo in RVR, and WHs need to hunt in packs. Also why WEs have solid spots in ST parties for City and WHs ... not so much. WE are doing better than WH at the moment, but both need something. I would argue WH more so.
BG may not generate AP out the ass, nor Crit/parry buffs for dark protector, but it's not a worse version. It's a solid 2H bebuff tank that also hits a bit harder. It's tanking is also very strong. What it lacks is Moral Pump to be a solid Destro choice. But it's a given spot in 6 mans and ranked.
Knight is not the better version in so many regards. Sure 5% crit buff on block, 15% heal bonus to group and ... that's it. Chosens = Moral pump (just got buffed), Higher Defensive, 10% crit reduction tactic, Wound Debuff AOE standard. 2H spec that can actually kind of do damage. Knight has shittier version of the BG debuffs in its 2H. But as a RR80 in both, no, Chosen is better. Both are drool levels of competency to play though.
Ok, let's go one by one:
1. I may have over exaggerated the problem with BW / Sorc. The fact is, those are fun, iconic classes. A sexy witch and a Fire Mage. but here comes the problem. Both are 100% hostages of their own mechanic. Their mech isn't something elegant or a way to manage resources or what have you. It isn't even that interesting. Tbh, it always looked to me like a kind of mechanic you literally squirt out when you're either out of ideas, out of time or both. It's an ugly, crude mechanic. Because when supported, it works like a clockwork, but in every other case? F.A.I.L. from a textbook. I won't argue for its change(something needs to happen to make them more solo friendly ; you can't always run with a group, that' s impossible), but I just want everyone to realize what an ugly, crude piece of design this is.
2. Fair enough. WE is a more offensive option anyhow, WH is a more controlled version. All that needs to happen(on WH side) is to improve the hallmark of such gameplay(Burst) in an elegant manner. Also, do mind the lowered damage of Kisses, that they are RNG and that they have an ICD.
3. It's simply "solid", that is the problem. Besides, we mustn't look at this top down, much better way of looking is bottom up. Then when you see how BG progresses, you'll realize how abysmal he really is. After a level 30 or so, sure. But how many people will give him that kind of benefit of a doubt? Especially next to much more comfortable Tanks like Chosen / BO, not to mention Order tanks, let alone IB. When people try one after another...it's difficult to justify BG.
4. Again don't look top down. It's easy to say "the balance should be done at R40 / RR80 ; Sov level", but it really shouldn't. For starters, R40 / RR40 is a nice starting point, but even then, you NEED to take the route to there into consideration. Knight's route is MUCH more comfortable than Chosen's. Everything Chosen can do there(Guard bot with a shield in SC / RvR ; forget PvE), Knight can do better AND Knight can also comfortably do PvE. Sure, later on, they level out, Chosen overtakes him a bit, but...again, mind the PROCESS, not simply the result!
5. Magus and Engi: The only question that needs to be answered here is: "Do Magus abilities do enough extra damage to offset Engi autoattacks?". Because, otherwise, logically speaking, Engi is a better option, you can't deny that. It's basics. Now, whether that amounts to anything in an applied field(ie whether they are effective or not)...that's a whole another question.
