Return of Reckoning

Any hopes for 1.0 WE guys? Or been inferior to WH is a lifestyle in ROR too?

quler wrote:Any hopes for 1.0 WE guys? Or been inferior to WH is a lifestyle in ROR too?

WE is currently miles better than WH...

Lileldys wrote:

quler wrote:Any hopes for 1.0 WE guys? Or been inferior to WH is a lifestyle in ROR too?

WE is currently miles better than WH...

Yep they are very good atm.

in t3 yeah but T4 it even out and they are equals.

Ranged snare will never be reliable with people dodging it, dam rdps making people stack dodge n disrupt

TenTonHammer wrote:in t3 yeah but T4 it even out and they are equals.

I disagree with this the witch elf is better in groups by miles in T4 their debuffing power, ailment type attacks and greater sustained burst put them way ahead of the wh.

Both can match-up really well with each other, but I'd give the edge to WE. As Toldavf said, ailments which cant be cleansed by the most popular order healer, along with kisses being better than bullets and nicer covers/dpsstacking skills give them the edge. WE also gets nicer access to 100% disrupt, as the WH tree for that is really lacklustre.

I think the main reason WH seemed stronger on live was because most WE went OYK spec 80% of the time, whereas WH always took PtF.

The only thing WH has going is their finishers from the trees being better. Exit Wounds in t4 can crit very hard with a nasty debuff ontop. Bal spec gets access to PtF and gets a small power increase.

While EW can crit very hard it generaly as a rule of thumb doesn't due to armour, challenge, guard. while 3k is possible with full sov anyone using exit wound should expect to see 800 allot more.

Toldavf wrote:While EW can crit very hard it generaly as a rule of thumb doesn't due to armour, challenge, guard. while 3k is possible with full sov anyone using exit wound should expect to see 800 allot more.

The differences in the classes are thus:
Wracking pains- single best cover for your HD and WH has no equivalent
HRT vs Absolution- The finishers of choice when not using the speced ones, when compared I believe abso can come out slightly ahead due to guaranteed bullet damage.
Kisses vs Bullets- control vs rng is really all it comes down too
Tob or FM vs IF- is 50% aa haste worth 10% damage or at a max 15% crit, IF is my choice here
Witchbrew vs WH finishers- I like witchbrew here.
Death Reaper vs Witchfinders- Im surprised this isnt mentioned more but 50% crit for all group in all specs is kinda big. It can be a save button for heal crit, or a push button for extra dps for all group while wh is just 50% parry
Excom vs WE m4s- excom is probably one of the single strongest situation abilities in the game. If a WH gets to m4 in a 6v6 type of situation its almost a guaranteed kill while WE m4s are very bland.

Overall the classes are very close one way or the other to even. WE has a slight edge in groups and WH being the superior solo class in my opinion. The only real change I personally would like is to move seekers blade to inquistion and its tatic and move confess to confession to balance out wracking pains. Then add the ability for both classes to use kisses/bullets in stealth and their root break.

Till we have no melee pockets, no TBs, and no Df/Wf sets, every WH wold run 1-3 spec.

Having Repel+BAL sounds a bit better then 'kisses being better than bullets", while we are talking about soloroam.

Talking about group synergy, well for group synergy we have maradeurs.

Atropik wrote:Till we have no melee pockets, no TBs, and no Df/Wf sets, every WH wold run 1-3 spec.

Having Repel+BAL sounds a bit better then 'kisses being better than bullets", while we are talking about soloroam.

Talking about group synergy, well for group synergy we have maradeurs.

Im confused. I said WH was in my opinion the better solo class of the two and that is because of the RB spec, although RB is overrated due to the fact it can be servered (an undefendale attack). And yes mara is better than WE at group synergy, and slayer is better than WH, and at the moment WL is better in most groups so i fail to see your point when simply comparing WH vs WE. If its something lost in translation please let me know.