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Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:34 am
by Azarael
Rogmor wrote:Some thoughts about SMs. How about making Gusting wind avaliable from Improved balance like BOs knockback? In the current situation Gusting wind is pretty useless due to the fact that you need to use 3 abilities if you want to knockback your target or targets so you just loosing the moment. It's kinda sad.
Can't be done without client modifications.

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:57 am
by Greatwarden
How about linking the following stats/effects to Best/Perfect?

Perfect/Best
1. Wounds.
2. Speed.
3. AP.

Good/Improved
3. Immovable.

Both BOs and SMs are good as far as tanks go in terms of damage, so an AP refund, some health and some added mobility may be suitable compensation for our mechanic.

(I just remembered the BOs can already buff their own wounds.)

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:14 pm
by Tesq
it does not have to do with their alone feature but rather with group support.

The best atm it's swap things around and changes labes serverside


give some chosen tool to sm and fix how bo/SM group eff procs that would help them equally.

It will also mirror some exclusive feature that the realm do not have

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:05 pm
by Coryphaus
i think that giving sms a mirror ability/tactic like chosens destined for victory would go a long way to increasing its grp viability

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:02 am
by Greatwarden
Tesq wrote:it does not have to do with their alone feature but rather with group support.
Group support is fundamental but basic career mechanics are also fundamental.

Think of it this way: if SM/BOs were EXACTLY as good at group support as Chosen/KotBSs, the later would still (objectively) be better since the aura/command mechanic doesn't restrict the abilities that a Chosen/KotBS gets to use depending on their plan/balance and costs no AP to maintain.

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:06 am
by Coryphaus
They dont need to be as good as kotbs/chosen

they need to be as good as IB/BG

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:59 am
by Greatwarden
Coryphaus wrote:They dont need to be as good as kotbs/chosen

they need to be as good as IB/BG
Not the point, but your opinion is important.

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:46 pm
by Tesq
Coryphaus wrote:They dont need to be as good as kotbs/chosen

they need to be as good as IB/BG
i think that BO can be easily boost to be swapable with chosen but that cannot be done for SM even if mirroring some feature from Chosen.

SM can only be more an alternative to IB when you buld a bomb party or want def options with some chosen mirrors.
And won't be in other way till kobs will buff 15% heal to all partys and 10% crits to both damage and healk :/

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:03 pm
by Coryphaus
Tesq wrote:
i think that BO can be easily boost to be swapable with chosen but that cannot be done for SM even if mirroring some feature from Chosen.
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Lol no, no one will pick Blorcs over chosen, bos are in no way comparable with the reliable group buffs and utility that chosen provide

Da biggest is still a 25% random stat steal

and the class mechanic means that i dosnt always immedialty have the tools that it needs right on hand like KD like chosens do

Re: Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:03 pm
by Toldavf
shame you cant steal from the knight to give to the swords master :/