Fixing boring unbalanced scenarios

[peterthepan3]

Sure - here's my suggestion:

Get good and form a group.

[Idrinth]

And you've done it again, a gigantic unquotable post.

Quote it in parts

RR100 gear is confirmed not to be coming back, predetermination is good for progression and keeps you going forward.

RR100 is just an obvious case against your opinion, even without it the effect was there, just a bit slower.

Its also good that hundreds given up,

So losing content(i.e. players) is good? We'd end up fighting keep lords only with that idea, since there's noone to defend anything. Last time that happened even premades left, because lack of content.

meaning that the game progression works wonders and they've used the best option to leave and play GW2 or FPS, where the is no gear factor.

Best option from what perspective. Bad long or medium term option for the game, that would need content. Bad for them, since they couldn't experience the good parts. bad for the one's staying, since they had the same enemies all the time.

Get good and form a group.

Ok, so describe a realistic player's journey to that point I got a group, so I'm not that affected by your lack of understanding.

[Scrilian]

Can't quote it like that, takes too much time for little gain.
Idk what effect is that all about, constant equalizing the committed players to new players will lose players just as good. Its great to have options, there are tons of other non-gear dependant games out there, like CS GO or the other way around with huge gaps like LA2 and other asian MMOs. I see no evidence to the need of shortening the gear gap in RoR.

[Idrinth]

Idk what effect is that all about, constant equalizing the committed players to new players will lose players just as good.

No equalization going on here, just a gap reduction. The skill gap won't be closed by that, so dedicated players will still win, just less likely stomp their opposition.

Its great to have options, there are tons of other non-gear dependant games out there, like CS GO or the other way around with huge gaps like LA2 and other asian MMOs.

And those games benefit RoR in what way? Do you think people going there will return with more players? Remember, that in any pvp-centric game the players are the content, so you need numbers here, not just the rare group that can only be found after previously agreeing on a place to be in.

I see no evidence to the need of shortening the gear gap in RoR.

ok, so you'd take on a more or less equal group with lower gear and still expect to have a fighting chance? let's say R35RR40 vs R30 RR20 - they are considered equal enough by the game, it's the same tier.

[Scrilian]

Idk how it's not equalization if its gear gap reduction. Gear as much as important as skill not matter how much you advocate to ease it out for new players. You can agree to disagree on this one.
R30RR20 already have enough fighting chance if it takes literally few hours to get to that point and a week to get to RR40 of the R35RR40. And even more if accounted for maxing talismans, pots and deva/duelist gear.
You seriously to expect a fully loaded min-maxed R35RR40 to stick around if anyone can have a great chance to beat them just by contributing a few hours of gametime?

[spikespiegel84]

This is a kind of game where gear DOES matter. To get good gear you need time and building a social group for mutual help. There are games where items does not help you much, but skill is everything (see Ultima pre AoS, hell I miss the full loot of the loser), but it's not this case.
If you take it away, what would be the use of doing scs and orvr to get sets and weapons?

Why, in the name of Tzeentch, should the devs favour players that don't invest time in the game and whine on a forum instead of improving their ability and set up? I am not good myself, but I improved greatly thanks to countless battles and advices from more experienced players.

Coordination, timing, riding the momentum, knowing when to kite and push back, calling the skills you are using on TS/Vent, knowing which effect does or doesn't stack. This stuff is something a buff will never make even. God I heard people complaining that marauder isn't a good class, or that 2h chosen is a waste of time. Looks to me that many players are just lazy to find a solution for their problem and whine about it on the forum.

[Idrinth]

Idk how it's not equalization if its gear gap reduction. Skill as much as important as gear not matter how much you advocate to ease it out for new players. You can agree to disagree on this one.

You answered you own question in the next sentece, would just reduce the gear gap, the skill gap is what I consider fine to exist.

R30RR20 already have enough fighting chance if it takes literally few hours to get to that point and a week to get to RR40 of the R35RR40.

The got "enough of a fighting chance"? How many of the other group are likely to die before the smaller group is dead? How long will the fight last?

You seriously to expect a fully loaded min-maxed R35RR40 to stick around if anyone can have a great chance beat them for contributing few hours of gametime?

what is a great chance for you, that sounds like 90% to me? I would expect people to stick around for good fights, where they can increase their chances to win, but are never guaranteed to win because of their gear.

[Idrinth]

This is a kind of game where gear DOES matter.[...]If you take it away, what would be the use of doing scs and orvr to get sets and weapons?

Noone is arguing to take the gear away. Just limit the benefit that gear brings, so learning is doable without needing to rund head-first into a wall for weeks or years

Why, in the name of Tzeentch, should the devs favour players that don't invest time in the game and whine on a forum instead of improving their ability and set up? I am not good myself, but I improved greatly thanks to countless battles and advices from more experienced players.

This is not a favor to bad players, it's a favor for people who start later and for those that need content. Bad players that don't want to improve will die as much as now, the ones who profit are the ones who want to get better.

Coordination, timing, riding the momentum, knowing when to kite and push back, calling the skills you are using on TS/Vent, knowing which effect does or doesn't stack.

And that is great, that is where people need to work towards, but the way there is so hard on newcomers, that there is just a lot of players that stop playing, resulting in content for everyone else lacking.

[Scrilian]

I would say from what I remember from the pre80+ days and what it is now in RoR - the fight would last as long as it should for the time and effort put in by both groups.
The chance most likely is less than 10% when the game barely rewards you for sticking around and any passing by player can best you. Gearing up to so to speak "guarantee" your win is essential in my opinion to RPGs in general.

[peterthepan3]

99% of players playing ROR have come from live. Live lasted for 5+ years. If, by now, people STILL haven't got it into their heads that they need to dedicate time and coordinate with other players to succeed then lol.