[PVP]Scenario balance suggestion

[peterthepan3]

The misconception that premades are made deliberately to troll pugs is also a false one. Our order premade are basically focusing on fighting against Orz and Gankbus at the minute, as rolling pugs isn't fun nor is it something we aspire to excel at, lol.

[mursie]

2) Premades should not have to suffer longer queue times for the exact same rewards, purely as a direct consequence of the saltiness from players such as yourself.

Why do you think that having ONE sc that allows only pugs to que for it would lead to longer queue times for premades? Curious of your response on this. I sure hope it isn't because the majority of the player base would queue for that ONE sc. That would be quite hilarious if it is your response.

[bloodi]

Comprehension of his post is not a problem. Check the mirror..

You keep portraying this as a "needs of the many vs needs of the few" issue, its not, neither it was his point at all while you were trying to Lmao at his logic.

Is plain and simple, if i am given 2 choices and the end result is the same, i am picking the easier one most of the time, so will the 99% of the people, that is why separate queues are a terrible idea and that is his point.

There is no incentive to play the premade queue besides well, the challenge of it and thus, most people will not ever do so.

Premades are not some kind of evil force, they are something everyone should aspire to be in, be it 6 mans, warbands or any group you want, that is the point of the game, we are meant to group up and face challenges.

Of course most people rather get their reward in a easier manner. No **** sherlock.

Once the easy way is open, the easy way is what most people will take and even worse, they will demand every way is made like that eassy one.

[mursie]

Is plain and simple, if i am given 2 choices and the end result is the same, i am picking the easier one most of the time, so will the 99% of the people, that is why separate queues are a terrible idea and that is his point.

Ahh,

So in a pvp game, where most are end capped ranked and renown and rewards are effectively moot. In a game where PVP is THE end-game and THE purpose of the game... you believe that 99% of the people playing at that point would rather pug than premade. Only 1% of the population wants to still premade if rewards are the same... the majority of the playerbase, given that rewards are the same... would rather just pug...are casual... etc..

Thanks.

Based on this - you definitely make a compelling argument why the 99% shouldn't be given ONE sc to play in. Definitely.

[bloodi]

Ahh,
So in a pvp game, where most are end capped ranked and renown and rewards are effectively moot. In a game where PVP is THE end-game and THE purpose of the game... you believe that 99% of the people playing at that point would rather pug than premade. Only 1% of the population wants to still premade if rewards are the same... the majority of the playerbase, given that rewards are the same... would rather just pug...are casual... etc..

Thanks.

Based on this - you definitely make a compelling argument why the 99% shouldn't be given ONE sc to play in. Definitely.

You can live in this wold of the lolipop and butterflies all you want but when t2 opened, were people fighting in Rvr and scs or were they farming pve mobss for the BiS gear?

If you dont know the answer, is the later.

Are people going again and again against all odds to capture that keep? Or are they giving up on the 2nd wipe at most?

Are people trying to make premades or are people going to the forums to ask for a queue for them to not ever see a premade group?

[peterthepan3]

2) Premades should not have to suffer longer queue times for the exact same rewards, purely as a direct consequence of the saltiness from players such as yourself.

Why do you think that having ONE sc that allows only pugs to que for it would lead to longer queue times for premades? Curious of your response on this. I sure hope it isn't because the majority of the player base would queue for that ONE sc. That would be quite hilarious if it is your response.

Provided it's only one scenario, that's cool then. I'm just saying that premades should not have to suffer penalties because people can't get their arses in gear (a fair comment, if I may say so myself)

People will always go for the easiest options, which is why they should have them available to them! Just don't expect to reap the same rewards/PvP experience/calibre that that '10%' who dedicate more of their team/group synergy into get.

Mursie you have a bit of a reputation for whining both on the forums and ingame (usually along the 'premades are evil!' line), so I'm taking anything you say with a pinch of salt while bearing that in mind.

[mursie]

You can live in this wold of the lolipop and butterflies all you want but when t2 opened, were people fighting in Rvr and scs or were they farming pve mobss for the BiS gear?
If you dont know the answer, is the later.

No one is asking you to live in this lolipop world you detest. You are a man, clearly. You are only about organized 6 man pvp. You have bravado. I get it. And as such, I definitely think you shouldn't waste your talents on the 99% of trash that just pug this game as casuals. Let's weed that trash out for you... that lolipop butterfly carebear trash. Let's get you facing the 1% that knows what men are.

Now, how can we do this? hmm..

Well... 6v6 sc's is one way to do it...but a man of your talents still shouldn't face that lolipop trash when you're in sc's that arent specifically 6v6. So, instead of forcing you and your awesomeness to only play ONE sc where 6v6 happens... let's get that trash out of the way by letting them have just ONE sc to go and que for. Seems simple enough.

What say you? Fair deal?

[mursie]

Why do you think that having ONE sc that allows only pugs to que for it would lead to longer queue times for premades? Curious of your response on this. I sure hope it isn't because the majority of the player base would queue for that ONE sc. That would be quite hilarious if it is your response.

Provided it's only one scenario, that's cool then. I'm just saying that premades should not have to suffer penalties because people can't get their arses in gear (a fair comment, if I may say so myself)

Thanks - i'll take your deflection to actually answer the specific question as evidence of your complicity with its implication.

[mursie]

Mursie you have a bit of a reputation for whining both on the forums and ingame (usually along the 'premades are evil!' line), so I'm taking anything you say with a pinch of salt while bearing that in mind.

interesting - i play in premades nightly.

[bloodi]

No one is asking you to live in this lolipop world you detest. You are a man, clearly. You are only about organized 6 man pvp. You have bravado. I get it. And as such, I definitely think you shouldn't waste your talents on the 99% of trash that just pug this game as casuals. Let's weed that trash out for you... that lolipop butterfly carebear trash. Let's get you facing the 1% that knows what men are.
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I havent been in a serious premade, that is one that is not a pug one built from people in the lfg channel since Retail closed and i lost my old guild.

I am however not heavily traumatized by them as you seem to be.