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Shanell
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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#151 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:32 am

I have a feeling, that you distinguish that class from others due to a lore. Yes, elven archmages are powerful wizards, but we are playing a game and their archetype is written in character creation screen "healer".
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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#152 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:36 am

istvar wrote:
Azarael wrote:
Shanell wrote:Their archetype is a healer and they should be it.
Stopped reading here.
well maybe you shouldn't. boggles my mind how you can call yourself a dev with an attitude like that.
like it's cool,i understand, you guys do it out of your spare time and don't get paid but then u might as well drop all this pretence bull **** and just state it as it is : u don't rly give a **** and any opinion other then yours will be met with ridicule
would at least be more honest :)
You fail to understand that by posting that, he made it very clear that his post wasn't worth reading. He stated that because AM is listed as a healer, it should only ever be a healer. This is small-minded rubbish. There is no reason, no reason at all that a class with a viable DPS spec should have that spec made worthless because it is listed as being part of the healer archetype. It is utterly, utterly irrelevant what that class is marked as on the character screen.

I cannot emphasise enough that I have no respect for ANYONE who wants to cut variety out of the game based on one or two words in the character creation screen. It is NOT an argument and it will NOT be respected. If the spec is imbalanced in any direction (and in 1on1 it is, but we aren't focusing on that) then it should be fixed, but its entire existence will not be dismissed using such a flimsy justification.

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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#153 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:37 am

Asherdoom wrote:instead of whine concerning healers that are ored to heal and do some dps to have some fun, why dont you roll it yourself and stick healing? srsly making such polemic is absurd. every person MUST play as they wish, not as the community expects...
I am not rolling it, because I am playing destro side.
I am not saying that AMs should only play healers. I am saying that that HEALER class should not have such damage. Many people playing AM only because it deals a lot of damage and have insane surviability. Decreas their damage at we will have huge shitshtorm and then decreasing number of AMs in game.
Just to make it clear: many people play AMs because they are easy mode dps.
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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#154 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:39 am

istvar wrote:
Azarael wrote:
Shanell wrote:Their archetype is a healer and they should be it.
Stopped reading here.
well maybe you shouldn't. boggles my mind how you can call yourself a dev with an attitude like that.
like it's cool,i understand, you guys do it out of your spare time and don't get paid but then u might as well drop all this pretence bull **** and just state it as it is : u don't rly give a **** and any opinion other then yours will be met with ridicule
would at least be more honest :)
Ha-ha-ha-ha. That's going in my scrapbook.

istvar
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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#155 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:48 am

Azarael wrote:
You fail to understand that by posting that, he made it very clear that his post wasn't worth reading. He stated that because AM is listed as a healer, it should only ever be a healer. This is small-minded rubbish. There is no reason, no reason at all that a class with a viable DPS spec should have that spec made worthless because it is listed as being part of the healer archetype. It is utterly, utterly irrelevant what that class is marked as on the character screen.

I cannot emphasise enough that I have no respect for ANYONE who wants to cut variety out of the game based on one or two words in the character creation screen. It is NOT an argument and it will NOT be respected. If the spec is imbalanced in any direction (and in 1on1 it is, but we aren't focusing on that) then it should be fixed, but its entire existence will not be dismissed using such a flimsy justification.
and you fail to understand that just because he builds his argument on a wrong pretence ( i.e. healers should only heal )
it is in NO WAY AT ALL given that everything he writes after that has no validity.
bit rich talking about variety when almost every 6man is build around the same cookie cutter classes lol
again it's cool it's the game we decide to play and it's free but pls at least be honest lol

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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#156 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:53 am

istvar wrote:and you fail to understand that just because he builds his argument on a wrong pretence ( i.e. healers should only heal )
it is in NO WAY AT ALL given that everything he writes after that has no validity.
bit rich talking about variety when almost every 6man is build around the same cookie cutter classes lol
again it's cool it's the game we decide to play and it's free but pls at least be honest lol
1) When the first words out of someone's mouth are absolutely stupid, they shouldn't expect anyone to believe what follows would be any better.

2) Seriously? Seriously? Are you really going to blame the 2/2/2 group format on Aza?

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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#157 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:56 am

istvar wrote:and you fail to understand that just because he builds his argument on a wrong pretence ( i.e. healers should only heal )
it is in NO WAY AT ALL given that everything he writes after that has no validity.
bit rich talking about variety when almost every 6man is build around the same cookie cutter classes lol
again it's cool it's the game we decide to play and it's free but pls at least be honest lol
You shouldn't really bring up the inflexibility of 6-man setups because it works against you - DPS AM and DPS Shaman aren't good enough for 6-mans, so they're clearly not overpowered and thus the only point that Shanell made (repeatedly, in fact!) was that they shouldn't be allowed to be a DPS because they're listed as healers, which is frankly rubbish.

If you knew anything about me, you'd know that my interests lie in seeing the game balanced, and as such I have no interest in seeing the same classes in the same stagnant setups for all eternity.

Thus, I offer no apology for what I've said.

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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#158 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:00 am

ThePollie wrote:
istvar wrote: When the first words out of someone's mouth are absolutely stupid,
With all due respect, **** you. I said, that AMs arhcetype is a healer and it have too easy way to deal so many damage.
Aza said that my opinion is ****, and now you, like a camp-follower, saying that my words are "absolutely stupid".
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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#159 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:04 am

Shanell wrote:
ThePollie wrote:
istvar wrote: When the first words out of someone's mouth are absolutely stupid,
With all due respect, **** you. I said, that AMs arhcetype is a healer and it have too easy way to deal so many damage.
Aza said that my opinion is ****, and now you, like a camp-follower, saying that my words are "absolutely stupid".
You are entitled to your opinion, as am I entitled to think you are absolutely stupid.

I'd recommend some tea, though. You seem a bit upset.

Like it or not, 'archtype' doesn't completely define a class. Not all Slayers are single-target killers, not all Ironbreakers are unkillable walls in a tank line, and not all Warrior priests or Archmages are backline healers dedicated to ensuring you never die.

Don't like it? Get over it. They have DPS trees for a reason. This is never going to change.

istvar
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Re: Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

Post#160 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:09 am

Azarael wrote:
istvar wrote:and you fail to understand that just because he builds his argument on a wrong pretence ( i.e. healers should only heal )
it is in NO WAY AT ALL given that everything he writes after that has no validity.
bit rich talking about variety when almost every 6man is build around the same cookie cutter classes lol
again it's cool it's the game we decide to play and it's free but pls at least be honest lol
You shouldn't really bring up the inflexibility of 6-man setups because it works against you - DPS AM and DPS Shaman aren't good enough for 6-mans, so they're clearly not overpowered and thus the only point that Shanell made (repeatedly, in fact!) was that they shouldn't be allowed to be a DPS because they're listed as healers, which is frankly rubbish.

If you knew anything about me, you'd know that my interests lie in seeing the game balanced, and as such I have no interest in seeing the same classes in the same stagnant setups for all eternity.

Thus, I offer no apology for what I've said.
u seem to be under the missconception that i believe dps ams are op :)
as u said they are are stupid op 1v1 and mildly annoying in grp set up. i was in no way ever asking for a nerf of or even refering to anything related to the AM in my posts
i was questioning your attitude and somewhat childish behaviour as a "dev" *giggle*
now i don;t rly want this to turn into a huge drama and as i can see some of the lap dogs jimmey's have alrdy been ruffled so before pollie gets a stoke or pulls a muscle while valiantly jumping to your defence i shall bid this threat good bye

if u do wish to continue this conversation just shoot me a PM :)

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