[KOTBS] "Destroy Confidence" tactic discussion

[bloodi]

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1) We are not discussing semantics, this is not matter of view, its pure math, its a skill that removes 3 gcds in 1, with a 5 secs cd, that means that a shaman spends 5 secs using heals, kobts presses 1 button and removes all of it on 1 gcd and this continues forever.

2) We actually do know what it will be changed and if you missed it, the one in charge of changing them, agress with us, you can see his posts on the previous pages

3) Again, the only change we know will happen to the tactic is the range, even with that, once again, the guy who changes things, shares our view on this tactic, doesnt that ring a bell for you?

Shatter confidence has 5sec cd, if someone don't know.
Are we talking about the shaman of your skill level, non-healing am?
Then yes, this tactic will surely ruin your entire day.

What the **** are you on about now?

[Nishka]

So, why don't the professional whiners like the idea of changing the tactic to removal of blessings? Shamans are safe, zealots and doks are good healers and there're plently of them, so nobody cares about a few blessings removed... Or you want to remove this tactic from the game and nothing less?

[Toldavf]

I dont mind if it can remove a blessing or enchantment that's decent versatility.

[Nishka]

I dont mind if it can remove a blessing or enchantment that's decent versatility.

Now that's a proper discussion.
Won't removal of both enchantments and blessing be really op? Because afaik no class in the game can remove them both. Destros only remove blessings, order removes enchantments from unlucky shamans

EDIT: See, the problem with shaman isn't in op KOTBS tactic. The problem is that for some reason shaman is the only healer in the game who applies mostly enchanments.
And the whole order, anyone who has such skill, removes enchanment. Not just kotbs. Everyone. Removes. Just shaman hots.
Because they can't remove anything else.

[Penril]

I dont mind if it can remove a blessing or enchantment that's decent versatility.

Now that's a proper discussion.
Won't removal of both enchantments and blessing be really op? Because afaik no class in the game can remove them both. Destros only remove blessings, order removes enchantments from unlucky shamans

Oh god...

[bloodi]

Oh god...

I even already told them that changing from enchantment to blessing would only change it from shhamans to zealot yet he says it again and talks about it like nothing.

Its like talking to a wall.

He even says that Doks should not be affected much because they are good already.

Doks have 0 blessings.

[Nishka]

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=dok;
Soul Shielding: blessing
Khainer's Vigor: blessing
Soul infusion: blessing

I would be grateful if you'd stay out of discussions that you understand nothing in.
Thank you.

[Ridduk]

Destros only remove blessings, order removes enchantments from unlucky shamans

I think that is incorrect.

[Nameless]

Destros only remove blessings, order removes enchantments from unlucky shamans

I think that is incorrect.

no, no let him continue to embarrass himself

[TenTonHammer]

Your right so we should consider ALL the sweeping changes made to RoR that affect the interaction between KOTBS shatter and shamen.

Does fixed pounce affect them? What about fixed mara tactics? Or how about ID now being an ailment? No? How about engie/ mag buffs? Does that affect them? Maybe the 2H AoE detuant does? What about the enchanted arrows changes?

NONE of the the changes made in RoR affect how this tactic destroys shammy healers and to state that "there may be future changes that does" is irrelevant to the frame of discussion