Scenarios- pre mades being douchebags

[Nishka]

Why does no one get angry when they solo queue and land on the same team as a premade?

I do. Playing against a premade makes me feel useless because no matter what I do, it's lose.
But playing with a premade on our side also makes me feel useless because no matter what I do, it's win.

[mursie]

Mursie don't you fcking be cute with me because I'll bury you. I know what "tends" means. Ofc Premades increases your chances of winning, but thats just a result of having a balanced team, as you said.

Easy buddy. My humblest apologies if you believe the question of grammar understanding was offensive. Please know that not everyone on these boards possesses even a basic comprehension of the english language and therefore can misconstrue or completely misunderstand the most basic of conversations. Learning to read is hard and not everyone has been given ample opportunities to do so (as an aside, it truly is a sad state, and i feel awful for those poor chaps). I was just wanting to make sure there was no confusion.

With that said, I still think it better to test via actual data (i.e. make a solo que and see how many people actually use it) vs. using anecdotes and generalizations. If it fails, it fails. No harm in that.

[Penril]

ffs mursi change your avatar, i was getting so god damned confused...

[peppex91]

I usually get nine, happened just 4-5 times and most of them were just w8ing fights. U know... your team push them to the spawn so ez u feel like inertia is playing for u (not just due to coordination and communication ofc). Then if the premade is somewhat organized they will pull back (not like stupids pug as pointed by morf) but this will no open the fight again.
If they are loosing very badly, they'll just w8 like u. Better being on the losing side in thta situation, u could heroically get a lucky kill on a squishie (if u are a dps). The winning ppl can just overextend and get killed like a starving ape, if they manage to get some kills they'll still be blamed by good players for their camp farming.
I think every geared rr 40 should prefer the get rolled to the roll thing.

[mursie]

ffs mursi change your avatar, i was getting so god damned confused...

It was custom made for me by a fanboy. I would feel bad not using it.

[Ninepaces]

Why does no one get angry when they solo queue and land on the same team as a premade?

I do. Playing against a premade makes me feel useless because no matter what I do, it's lose.
But playing with a premade on our side also makes me feel useless because no matter what I do, it's win.

Premade isn't god mode dude, its just 6 guys with access to the same classes and abilities and gear everyone else has access to. Especially in 12 v12 and only 6 are premade it is anything but auto-win.

Mursie don't you fcking be cute with me because I'll bury you. I know what "tends" means. Ofc Premades increases your chances of winning, but thats just a result of having a balanced team, as you said.

Easy buddy. My humblest apologies if you believe the question of grammar understanding was offensive. Please know that not everyone on these boards possesses even a basic comprehension of the english language and therefore can misconstrue or completely misunderstand the most basic of conversations. Learning to read is hard and not everyone has been given ample opportunities to do so (as an aside, it truly is a sad state, and i feel awful for those poor chaps). I was just wanting to make sure there was no confusion.

With that said, I still think it better to test via actual data (i.e. make a solo que and see how many people actually use it) vs. using anecdotes and generalizations. If it fails, it fails. No harm in that.

How can we accurately test this? Volume of queues doesn't necessarily represent enjoyment of the actual sc, it represents the hope of enjoyment. And also volume of queues is dependent on oRVR activity.

Also, any sort of feedback received can't be filtered for bias against premades (of which there is a lot).

But I wouldn't mind testing it anyways, if we also tested nerfs to AOEs in oRVR (which to me is a much more important aspect of the game that is being ruined).

[mursie]

Premade isn't god mode dude, its just 6 guys with access to the same classes and abilities and gear everyone else has access to. Especially in 12 v12 and only 6 are premade it is anything but auto-win.

Nine, bare with me here for a second, apologies for my slow in-take.

Are you suggesting that, just because you are in a premade group, you may not actually win all the time? That, even though you might tend to roll pugs while in a premade, there is a possibility or chance that a premade could lose because the opposition has an equal or better premade/composition?

Just want to make sure I totally understand this. Sounds like, if you are in a premade, you aren't going to ALWAYS dominate, just that you would TEND to.. is that what you're saying?

[porkstar]

Make Reikland Factory 6v6 and bring back the 6v6 from live (the punt fest). I think then we'll see which premades are actually looking to compete and which ones are looking to stomp pugs. When I was in a six on live, all we did was queue for the 6v6 sc and roam RvR. Just do it Az.

[peterthepan3]

Reikland is terrible for 6v6. Just cap the flags and win in like 20 secs gg.

To be honest I wouldn't mind having a scenario bracket for premades only, 6v6. However, I would postulate and suggest that - due to the inevitably increased waiting times, as well as the intensity involved in premade vs premade - the reward would be more emblems. This would actively encourage people to try and get into premades, form groups, etc. using the normal pug bracket as a sort of 'practice' before then venturing forth into the world of competitive 6v6. Just food for thought.

inb4 'NO I WANT TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF EMBLEMS AS YOU DO FOR QUEUEING UP AND AFKING AT WC VS PUGS'

[Ninepaces]

Premade isn't god mode dude, its just 6 guys with access to the same classes and abilities and gear everyone else has access to. Especially in 12 v12 and only 6 are premade it is anything but auto-win.

Nine, bare with me here for a second, apologies for my slow in-take.

Are you suggesting that, just because you are in a premade group, you may not actually win all the time? That, even though you might tend to roll pugs while in a premade, there is a possibility or chance that a premade could lose because the opposition has an equal or better premade/composition?

Just want to make sure I totally understand this. Sounds like, if you are in a premade, you aren't going to ALWAYS dominate, just that you would TEND to.. is that what you're saying?

Tend vs Pugs with bad balance. But against a pug group with bad balance everyone TENDS to win, even other pug groups with just a slightly better class balance.
Even chance vs balanced groups (pugs with balanced group or another premade)

There are is also the factor of skill (always seems to be the least important factor in everybody's minds).

I don't see where you're going with this.