Return of Reckoning

Tklees wrote:
Or you know. Just a que that makes balanced groups. I keep saying it. But the ppl who que as a group will just make smaller groups and que for faster pops. 90% of the "hardcore" players who are talking in this thread are casual. We player an hour or two a day at most. We want fast pops too. Limiting our game time just because the casual player refuses to learn basic game mechanics and skills such as guarding, assisting, kiting, peeling, and proper group make up doesn't mean people who have learned these skills should be punished

+1

It was just a dream post, was pointed out in the introduction. Specifically the part about population.

Just had to leave my 2cents for people who bitch about premades. Ok first of all in other mmo's do ppl/pugs bitch at guilds because they are premade and getting further in raid? And if I am not mistaken isnt this game classified as an MMO? I didnt realize this was a single player or coop game. Lmfao. I mean seriously.. Your playing an MMO and MMO's are guild/communication based. Your mad because you play an MMO and people are grouping and queueing against those who are solo? Honestly if anything the premades should be the ones mad at solo queuers for not playing the game right lmfao. And as a side note. Pugs queuing up solo is the same as inviting random pugs to a group and queuing.. Its the comm's and superior communication that make it an actual premade.

I'm not mad because people are grouping, if you look at my post history in this thread I am just commenting on what I think is broken system. I never attack the players grouping or come to any kind of conclusion that it is their fault. I blame the game design at every turn. People are trying to paint me as some kind of buttmad solo only player angry at premades when that is not the truth at all.

The responses to my points jump to the conclusion that I am advocating for this to happen now or in the near feature, when again that is not the case if you look at my post history I never once make any kind of statement indicating this. They cite low population as the obstacle for this happening, and they are 100% right. But they throw this at me like it is somehow disproving my points.

Those being that the game design should encourage even matchups, and not allow imbalances like in the case of premades being in a non discriminatory que with solo players. But due to our current population and infrastructure we will have to deal with.

Maybe this will clear things up a bit? And as far blaming solo players / pugs Az did a good job explaining why you can't ever lay the burden on casuals to do something that is in their very definition outside their comfort zone.

Btw Schlomo that wasnt directed at you or any one person.. Was just an in general kinda thing because i see it brought up a lot. But when it comes down to it.. No one should be blaming anyone whether solo or premade. be happy your playing a great game again.. and a game/server with a good enough population to have consistant action happening.

Recommending changes OK.
Bitching about what u want changed. Not OK.

I'm perfectly fine with the game how it is currently. Even if SC's don't change I will be here queing solo or with my guild, because I enjoy it. I just know that it can become better, and if that time ever comes where the servers population is in the thousands having discussion like these can be a starting point or grounding for when discussion on SC MM/Que types etc... will be relevant.

I just think things got a bit out of hand due to misunderstandings etc... that and OP got his thread jacked lol.

having spent way to long in an office reading through what seems page upon page of "DO IT MY WAAAYYYY OR GTFO" i just wanted to check, based on the thread title..

Is it currently possible to solo take a keep or a Bo?

If it’s not possible to solo one, then by elimination it must be being done by groups. Therefore, in relation to Orvr, discussing this problem in the context of soloing (in sc's or in rvr) is just flat out nonsense. No solo toon can defend a keep or bo against a party / wb. With oil and siege weapons implemented a duo / 3 or 4 could stand a chance against a 6 man, depending on tactics each side use of course.

Given the limited number of zones and there are regularly 300+ players online the problem is not the population (awesome job by the devs to bring it back to this level btw!). The reality must be that in Orvr one group is avoiding another group to trade keeps.

For those who are saying the game should only be played by organised groups, all i can say is following your logic the trading of keeps is the game working as originally designed/intended! If not please explain why being in a group and following a wb leader is not exactly this?

If some people really were acting as they claim on the thread and switching sides in organized 6 man premades to the underdog side and defending keeps, well then the keeps wouldn't be falling so fast. So, even though I queue solo most of time and rarely rvr these days, I call bullshit. An organized 6 man can defend a keep against a pug wb it must be the case or why is it worth being a better player in a 6 man?

Instead of bitching on a forum about how "the game should only be played in groups".. "people should learn how to play"…..."we should get better rewards cause our queues will take longer"... (WTF!! Seriously whoever suggested that is such a mo.. go on .. ask me why..lol) how about organize groups and defend keeps?

These hardcore teams are in it for the pvp right, its love of the game, it’s about being good, its epeen. So park your 6 man in a keep and enjoy hours of proving how good you are against the zerg. There are only 4 keeps, two 6 man groups could pick two and make a fight of it.

No need for even queuing for scs, as you will have rvr to your hearts content. Problem of this thread is solved. You are all welcome.

With 300+ players it should be easy to organize a 6 man right?

Cause, if it’s not, then maybe the majority of players are demonstrating they disagree with that play style, or the attitude of people organizing groups is putting them off, or they are setting their standards to high i.e. "/ad lf healer for premade..must be zealot, must be level 26, must have fully equipped amour, must have vent, must make tea whilst singing the national anthem and shining my shoes simultaneously "

Aza is 100% right the game needs casual players to survive. It needs to be fun to play to survive. It needs to adapt to the majority of players requirements to survive. Catering to just "elite" 6 man groups or for that matter to just PUGs or Soloers will kill this project.

It’s not my or most of your project, it’s the devs project. I for one am happy to just be playing this game in whatever format the devs put it.

Oh and one final thing, the original game was not designed to be played only by groups. It was designed to attract players so it could make money. They may have used a model skewed to group play but teh aim was to make money. It didn't make money. It closed. It's on a private server. So at this point championing anything as the "original design" of the game as some sacred ideal seems moot. Just my two satang.

bangkokeight wrote:
Given the limited number of zones and there are regularly 300+ players online the problem is not the population (awesome job by the devs to bring it back to this level btw!). The reality must be that in Orvr one group is avoiding another group to trade keeps.

For those who are saying the game should only be played by organised groups, all i can say is following your logic the trading of keeps is the game working as originally designed/intended! If not please explain why being in a group and following a wb leader is not exactly this?

If some people really were acting as they claim on the thread and switching sides in organized 6 man premades to the underdog side and defending keeps, well then the keeps wouldn't be falling so fast. So, even though I queue solo most of time and rarely rvr these days, I call bullshit. An organized 6 man can defend a keep against a pug wb it must be the case or why is it worth being a better player in a 6 man?

thank you for some sanity in this thread.

rofl GG

There were always ppl, who wanted to exp fast as they only can. Wait, btw, you hasnt seen kill trade yet.


I clearly remember, how on live empty zones was traded between fractions, in t2 and t3. In t4 you can't do that, though, bcoz capital siege.