Return of Reckoning

Beardypete wrote:Pug farmers BTFO

What does BTFO stand for?

I have played a couple of KE scenarios and IMO it was more balanced and fun. Introducing a pug only SC was definitely a good decision.

Hard to say it's worst than was before. Destro make now double duos on Khaine's Embrance map. Only one difference is because on order side they meet only random Pug. Not a cheance to meet another premade. And they play only this one map. Of course I talking about Sekundus. This all problem of SCs premade vs pug is made by one man. And cheanging rules not help because he always find way to brooke them and kill all idea. We can fight as Pug against premade with Nicelook, Vasek, Mieles etc. each where main dps is melee. Nobody not care if we loose. But the sorcerer is just too much OP, especially in party and against unorganized people. We also couldn't win as Pug against Xiuxiu premade, but fortunatelly she not repeat this same mistake what Sekundus and she don't make double and even single duos on this map.

Kali14 wrote:Hard to say it's worst than was before. Destro make now double duos on Khaine's Embrance map. Only one difference is because on order side they meet only random Pug. Not a cheance to meet another premade. And they play only this one map. Of course I talking about Sekundus. This all problem of SCs premade vs pug is made by one man. And cheanging rules not help because he always find way to brooke them and kill all idea. We can fight as Pug against premade with Nicelook, Vasek, Mieles etc. each where main dps is melee. Nobody not care if we loose. But the sorcerer is just too much OP, especially in party and against unorganized people. We also couldn't win as Pug against Xiuxiu premade, but fortunatelly she not repeat this same mistake what Sekundus and she don't make double and even single duos on this map.

As anticipated you have found new things to moan about! So you lose to the game's best sorc in premade scenarios and get a pug scenario, yet when he queues solo/duo for this pug scenario - something even premade players are allowed to do btw! - you have the audacity to carry on moaning when you get your ass handed to you.

Pug scenarios are supposed to be unpredictable and fun - that's the draw factor. You can't expect to win all the time when reliant on people who may not be running optimal class/spec or new to the game.

(Sorry to sidetrack but i think bs accusations/assumptions oughta be called out for what they are)

peterthepan3 wrote:

Kali14 wrote:Hard to say it's worst than was before. Destro make now double duos on Khaine's Embrance map. Only one difference is because on order side they meet only random Pug. Not a cheance to meet another premade. And they play only this one map. Of course I talking about Sekundus. This all problem of SCs premade vs pug is made by one man. And cheanging rules not help because he always find way to brooke them and kill all idea. We can fight as Pug against premade with Nicelook, Vasek, Mieles etc. each where main dps is melee. Nobody not care if we loose. But the sorcerer is just too much OP, especially in party and against unorganized people. We also couldn't win as Pug against Xiuxiu premade, but fortunatelly she not repeat this same mistake what Sekundus and she don't make double and even single duos on this map.

As anticipated you have found new things to moan about! So you lose to the game's best sorc in premade scenarios and get a pug scenario, yet when he queues solo/duo for this pug scenario - something even premade players are allowed to do btw! - you have the audacity to carry on moaning when you get your ass handed to you.

Pug scenarios are supposed to be unpredictable and fun - that's the draw factor. You can't expect to win all the time when reliant on people who may not be running optimal class/spec or new to the game.

(Sorry to sidetrack but i think bs accusations/assumptions oughta be called out for what they are)

Of course how I said, that I did. I tooke him down in 10 seconds, even when he was guarded and with his personall healer. But our healer was AM dps 36 lvl and we loose. This is not my problem because usually I RVRing, SC I play from time. I stand on the side of PUG players who play solo SC and who are new in this game etc. I remind you what was main idea of this solu/duo Q for SC. It was give cheance to this the weakness. Not make occasion to dicks who want farm them.

I just wanted to add that i got yesterday the best four hours of pugging in sc i ever had in ror. There was not a single blowout match with 500-0 or so and if my team was clueless often the other team was also. Please keep up this solo sc and punish people trying to exploit it .

Wow, well i guess this solution has solved some of the problems!

How is Mourkain Temple? it's the only Scenario i enjoy playing when it's up but i can only get into it 1/2 times a day, is it popping?

btw does anyone know if the kill quest is fixed on Mourkain Temple yet? i haven't had the time to get into it since the last patch, i've been in but the lack of pop well y'know.

I've only played in a premade in an aor/ror scenario 1/2 in my entire gaming life, this won't affect me personally.

Kali14 wrote:Hard to say it's worst than was before. Destro make now double duos on Khaine's Embrance map. Only one difference is because on order side they meet only random Pug. Not a cheance to meet another premade. And they play only this one map. Of course I talking about Sekundus. This all problem of SCs premade vs pug is made by one man. And cheanging rules not help because he always find way to brooke them and kill all idea. We can fight as Pug against premade with Nicelook, Vasek, Mieles etc. each where main dps is melee. Nobody not care if we loose. But the sorcerer is just too much OP, especially in party and against unorganized people. We also couldn't win as Pug against Xiuxiu premade, but fortunatelly she not repeat this same mistake what Sekundus and she don't make double and even single duos on this map.

If the new pug SC had a way not to allow the same players to play back to back in Kaines Embrace that might help fix that problem!

Melee Dok kept sending party request ,which I denied because I was queing for Kaines Embrace . The dok also qued for it and a couple times we played together. That could look like we were exploiting by grouping,giving out my guard . Fortunately the dok skill wise played like a true pugger and it went un noticed !

7rere7 wrote:

Kali14 wrote:Hard to say it's worst than was before. Destro make now double duos on Khaine's Embrance map. Only one difference is because on order side they meet only random Pug. Not a cheance to meet another premade. And they play only this one map. Of course I talking about Sekundus. This all problem of SCs premade vs pug is made by one man. And cheanging rules not help because he always find way to brooke them and kill all idea. We can fight as Pug against premade with Nicelook, Vasek, Mieles etc. each where main dps is melee. Nobody not care if we loose. But the sorcerer is just too much OP, especially in party and against unorganized people. We also couldn't win as Pug against Xiuxiu premade, but fortunatelly she not repeat this same mistake what Sekundus and she don't make double and even single duos on this map.

If the new pug SC had a way not to allow the same players to play back to back in Kaines Embrace that might help fix that problem!

Melee Dok kept sending party request ,which I denied because I was queing for Kaines Embrace . The dok also qued for it and a couple times we played together. That could look like we were exploiting by grouping,giving out my guard . Fortunately the dok skill wise played like a true pugger and it went un noticed !

The appearance of preorganisation worries you?

"The appearance of preorganisation worries you? "

Kaines Embrace is intended to be zero preorganized by players and completely random?
From reading the forum and my experience it seems it may purposely already evolving away from that direction !

I was in about 3 times Kaines Embrace , and it did appear that Sekundus had and organized healer ,(not sure on tank guard) . I say organized because the play style was definitely focused together and the Sorc gody stats,( I am not bias, I played destruction side).