[KOTBS] "Destroy Confidence" tactic discussion

[Nishka]

again all this rage about 39lvl tactic. we are still 32 lvl and till t4 release we dont see that tactic. in second most shammans go dps , some go heal. byt questions is like morfee or ather shammies. with speed tactic and detaunt tactic. u cant even catch him to use that triple remove enchantment and die . again ppl make thread to nerf order. also +10 crit tactic need 2 slots not 1.

FFS

YOU DONT USE THE TRIPLE ENCHANTMENT SHATTER ON THE SHAMEN YOU USE IT ON THE TARGET THE SHAMEN IS HEALING

You not only negate all the healing the shamen did with its 3 gcds worth of hots but you also damage the target there by not only punishing the target for being healed by a shamen but also the shamen for healing that target

Secondly at Nishka and posters like you, we are no so senile to have forgetten live, we've played to 40 and rr 80/100 we dont need to wait till 39 to know the power and effectiveness of this tactic

You use it on the target shaman is healing and guess what happens... shaman just reapplies his hots. In case if your enchantment removal wasn't parried/blocked. Happens with tank's skills very often.
Really, maybe you and your likes should turn your whine on something that really deserves it... like... double crit? You may not believe it, but I will even support you in whining about the double crit.
Also, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Try something else.

[ThePollie]

This is not live. There have already been changes to the game and we have not tested how the Shatter tactic plays with said changes. There may be even more changes between T3 and T4 that could further affect it.

Stop using Live as an argument. This isn't live. It will never be Live. Live was ****.

[Nishka]

Is this tactic was changed to remove blessings instead of enchantments, would you be satisfied?

[bloodi]

This is not live. There have already been changes to the game and we have not tested how the Shatter tactic plays with said changes. There may be even more changes between T3 and T4 that could further affect it.

Stop using Live as an argument. This isn't live. It will never be Live. Live was ****.

Did how gcds work change? Did the shaman heals stop being enchantments? Did Kobts lose anything it had?

No, no and no, stop using that **** argument, we are not going to stop discussing things just because you want to see how it works, we already seen it, its broken, there was no change in RoR that made it less broken.

Seriously, what would we have to wait for test and see?

Is this tactic was changed to remove blessings instead of enchantments, would you be satisfied?

Yeah, if it destroyed Zealots instead of shamans it would be perfectly fine.

Jesus **** christ, which part of, it removes 3 gcds in 1, is so hard to understand? That is what is broken.

[ThePollie]

Did how gcds work change? Did the shaman heals stop being enchantments? Did Kobts lose anything it had?

No, no and no, stop using that **** argument, we are not going to stop discussing things just because you want to see how it works, we already seen it, its broken, there was no change in RoR that made it less broken.

Seriously, what would we have to wait for test and see?

I didn't tell you to stop discussing it, I told you to stop citing Live as an argument.

[Nishka]

Spoiler:

This is not live. There have already been changes to the game and we have not tested how the Shatter tactic plays with said changes. There may be even more changes between T3 and T4 that could further affect it.

Stop using Live as an argument. This isn't live. It will never be Live. Live was ****.

Did how gcds work change? Did the shaman heals stop being enchantments? Did Kobts lose anything it had?

No, no and no, stop using that **** argument, we are not going to stop discussing things just because you want to see how it works, we already seen it, its broken, there was no change in RoR that made it less broken.

Seriously, what would we have to wait for test and see?

Is this tactic was changed to remove blessings instead of enchantments, would you be satisfied?

Yeah, if it destroyed Zealots instead of shamans it would be perfectly fine.

Jesus **** christ, which part of, it removes 3 gcds in 1, is so hard to understand?

That's the problem. You and your likes don't need to change the tactic, you want to destroy it. It's already has very little uses, aside from shutting down shamans. Which you won't be able to do even with a half-brained sham. Make healing harder - sure, shut down - never.
You and your likes hate any order tactic or skill that can possibly affect the game somehow.
Now answer the question, if the 5ft triple remove blessing can shut down doks and zealots, what a 10sec 65ft root can do with an rdps?

[Toldavf]

again all this rage about 39lvl tactic. we are still 32 lvl and till t4 release we dont see that tactic. in second most shammans go dps , some go heal. byt questions is like morfee or ather shammies. with speed tactic and detaunt tactic. u cant even catch him to use that triple remove enchantment and die . again ppl make thread to nerf order. also +10 crit tactic need 2 slots not 1.

FFS

YOU DONT USE THE TRIPLE ENCHANTMENT SHATTER ON THE SHAMEN YOU USE IT ON THE TARGET THE SHAMEN IS HEALING

You not only negate all the healing the shamen did with its 3 gcds worth of hots but you also damage the target there by not only punishing the target for being healed by a shamen but also the shamen for healing that target

Secondly at Nishka and posters like you, we are no so senile to have forgetten live, we've played to 40 and rr 80/100 we dont need to wait till 39 to know the power and effectiveness of this tactic

You use it on the target shaman is healing and guess what happens... shaman just reapplies his hots. In case if your enchantment removal wasn't parried/blocked. Happens with tank's skills very often.
Really, maybe you and your likes should turn your whine on something that really deserves it... like... double crit? You may not believe it, but I will even support you in whining about the double crit.
Also, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Try something else.

It only takes 3 gcd's for the skill to cool off. So at a minimum you can half the healing from do sumthin useful and reduce ey quit bleeding to a 1/3 duration on the first shatter you will also remove morks buffer and on second and subsequent shatters anything is fair game lingering gork'll fix it, don feel nothin or shrug it off.

The point is this is allot for 1 gcd you are pretty much gonna ruin a healing shams day with this.

[bloodi]

I didn't tell you to stop discussing it, I told you to stop citing Live as an argument.

And i told you that no change in RoR made it any different, why wouldnt i cite my experience with it on Live, which by the way is the same one as a lot of people here, its a skill that lets a kobts with just 1 button and gcd, negate a shaman healing entirely.

Since nothing about Gcds, how the tactic works (besides range which as a lot of posters said, its kinda a moot point) or shaman ability types changed, Live as an argument works perfectly.

Anything else?

That's the problem. You and your likes don't need to change the tactic, you want to destroy it. It's already has very little uses, aside from shutting down shamans. Which you won't be able to do even with a half-brained sham. Make healing harder - sure, shut down - never.

So removing all hots and healing on the move a shaman can do is very little use and its just making healing harder, not shutting it down?

Man, you are clueless.

You and your likes hate any order tactic or skill that can possibly affect the game somehow.
Now answer the question, if the 5ft triple remove blessing can shut down doks and zealots, what a 10sec 65ft root can do with an rdps?

Did you justr try to compare a 5 secs cd ability with a level 1 morale? That after pretending that i am part of some malefic group?

Lol.

[Nishka]

Shatter confidence has 5sec cd, if someone don't know.
Are we talking about the shaman of your skill level, non-healing am?
Then yes, this tactic will surely ruin your entire day.

[ThePollie]

And i told you that no change in RoR made it any different, why wouldnt i cite my experience with it on Live, which by the way is the same one as a lot of people here, its a skill that lets a kobts with just 1 button and gcd, negate a shaman healing entirely.

Since nothing about Gcds, how the tactic works (besides range which as a lot of posters said, its kinda a moot point) or shaman ability types changed, Live as an argument works perfectly.

Anything else?

1) An opinion being popular does not make it right. A thousand people can still be wrong.

2)

There may be even more changes between T3 and T4 that could further affect it.]

You have no idea what might be changed from now and when you actually have access to this tactic.

3) Because Live was a broken clusterfuck of game-breaking items. We are not going to have that on RoR. That tactic might have been great on Live, but that may have changed or may change at a later date.